Hamilton disqualified from Australian GP

[Robbo]

  Bloody typical

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74146

[Jules G]

Not a good start for Martin Whitmarsh as team principle, wonder how long it will be before Ron Dennis is back at the helm

[nopanic - neil]

funny comments on this BBC site.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A49377063

[Bas]

McLaren caught lying and cheating again 

[chop456]

From Grandprix.com:

The FIA Stewards were reconvened in Kuala Lumpur with African delegate Surinder Thatti replacing Czech Radovan Novak.  They heard new evidence, believed to be radio conversations between the team and Hamilton which showed that he gave the place back to Trulli deliberately. Hamilton is understood to have told the stewards in Melbourne that this was not the case.

Surinder Thatti = one of the "stewards" that laid that sham of a penalty on Hamilton at Spa last year and also one of Mosley's bestest chums.

Sickening.

And thanks to Erwin, one of my YFDS forum mates who figured this out.

[Kpy]

McLaren caught lying and cheating again 

Er, maybe not.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74153
But let's not fall out over it 

And why were Toyota not disqualified from the entire meeting after running an illegal car in practice?

Quite frankly I'm fed up with F1 being run from the Stewards' Room or the FIA Appeal Court or whatever, and that despite the fact that 35+ years ago I was legal advisor to the RAC Motor Sports Division.

[Bas]

Er, maybe not.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74153
But let's not fall out over it 

Let's not, it's only eF1 

Quite frankly I'm fed up with F1 being run from the Stewards' Room or the FIA Appeal Court or whatever, and that despite the fact that 35+ years ago I was legal advisor to the RAC Motor Sports Division.

Ditto I like to see results determined on track rather than by the stewards or the Appeal Court.

[Perdu]

usual FIAsco

So come on then

who is actually surprised at this?

bloody hell F'RARRY didnt race (more than a few laps) how can the race/championship be left alone


Not that ACO is any less bias driven in some directions, either

it's a good job motorsport only exists to give a couple of thousand people wages, Mr REcklessstone an opportubity to make up his fortune deficit since the split with "the Missus"


and us the best excuse around for a weekend long pi$$up

see ya on BN chaps and chapesses

[Jules G]

Hamilton facing F1 world championship exclusion?

News taken off Crash.net

Lewis Hamilton could be facing suspension or even exclusion from the 2009 Formula 1 World Championship after it was revealed that he and his McLaren-Mercedes team had 'deliberately misled' the FIA over his pass on Toyota's Jarno Trulli in the closing stages of the Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne four days ago.

Following a second stewards' meeting in Sepang ahead of this weekend's Malaysian Grand Prix, the defending F1 World Champion was disqualified from third place in the season curtain-raiser Down Under [see separate story – click here], and since then a spokesman for the FIA has stated: “Given the seriousness of this matter, we cannot rule out further action at this stage.”

It is suggested that the only two courses of such 'further action' available to the governing body's World Motor Sport Council (WMSC), should the issue make it that far, would be suspension from a future race or races or – even worse – disqualification from the world championship altogether.

Hamilton and McLaren's crime at Albert Park was one of acting 'in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards' following an investigation into the pass on Trulli, with a subsequent enquiry in Sepang finding the Woking-based outfit and its star driver guilty of breaching article 151c of the International Sporting Code, which covers 'any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motorsport generally' – and carries with it penalties ranging from a reprimand to exclusion from the entire world championship.

The FIA has published a transcript of the pits-to-car radio conversation between Hamilton and McLaren in Australia [see separate story – click here], upon the basis of which it made its decision to exclude the 24-year-old from the results of the season-opening race.

Should the matter indeed be referred to the WMSC, it would not be the McLaren's first brush with controversy in recent campaigns, having been fined a sporting record $100 million and disqualified from the constructors' world championship in 2007 over the espionage row that rocked the top flight to its core.

In an interview with German broadcaster RTL, triple former F1 World Champion Niki Lauda – now an outspoken commentator on the sport – has blasted the fact that it took the FIA four days to come to a definitive ruling on the subject as 'the biggest joke of all time'.

[Snoring Rhino]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9115.html the transcript, seems sound, lewis gave him (Truli) or he retook, the advantage on track the issue seems to be that they did not tell them at the enquiry about conversation - but why should they it was done as they spoke, more of a misdemenor to me, stictched up by the (B)stewards.

[Bentley boy]

The radio transcript

McLaren: OK Lewis, you should need to make sure your delta is positive over the safety car line. After the safety car line the delta doesn't matter, but no overtaking. No overtaking.
Lewis Hamilton: The Toyota went off in a line at the second corner...is this OK?
McLaren: Understood, Lewis. We'll confirm and get back to you.
LH: He was off the track. He went wide.
McLaren: Lewis, you need to allow the Toyota through. Allow the Toyota through now.
LH: OK.
LH: He's slowed right down in front of me.
McLaren: OK, Lewis. Stay ahead for the time being. Stay ahead. We will get back to you. We are talking to Charlie [Whiting – FIA race director].
LH: I let him past already.
McLaren: OK, Lewis. That's fine. That's fine. Hold position. Hold position.
LH: Tell Charlie I already overtook him. I just let him past.
McLaren: I understand Lewis. We are checking. Now can we go to yellow G 5, yellow Golf 5.
LH: I don't have to let him past. I should be able to take that position back, if he made a mistake.
McLaren: Yes, we understand Lewis. Let's just do it by the book. We are asking Charlie now. You are in P4 if you hold this position. Just keep it together.
McLaren: OK Lewis, your KERS is full, your KERS is full. Just be aware. You can go back to black F2, black Foxtrott 2.
LH: Any news from Charlie whether I can take it back or not?
McLaren: Still waiting on a response Lewis, still waiting.
McLaren: Lewis, work on your brakes please. Front brakes are cold.
McLaren: If we are able to use one KERS that would be good. If you deploy KERS please do so now.
McLaren: OK, Lewis, this is the last lap of the race. At the end of the lap the safety car will come in; you just proceed over the line without overtaking, without overtaking. We are looking into the Trulli thing, but just hold position.

How much more will the paying public be prepared to put up with nonsense decisions by the stewards.  

[Paddy_NL]

In an interview with German broadcaster RTL, triple former F1 World Champion Niki Lauda – now an outspoken commentator on the sport – has blasted the fact that it took the FIA four days to come to a definitive ruling on the subject as 'the biggest joke of all time'.

Is if it was yesterday's news, definitely nobody would have believed it. For the rest, the man is right. And F1 remains a joke. Last year Mosely had to divert the attention, this year I think Hornby will sue the FIA for impersonating copyrighted Scalextric models. As long as Ferrari will win all.

[nopanic - neil]

Hey new game,

Hamilton pointless game - How many points can get he docked or loose after the next race, and for even better do it as a forecast -  how many days after the race? 

The national lottery and the grand national looks a better bet, just.

Just thought, you could use Bookmaker Bernie E, he's good at a handling money. 

[SJ]

Just thought, you could use Bookmaker Bernie E, he's good at a handling money. 

Bliddy 'eck Neil... trust your hard earned to Stumpy
Wouldn't trust him to sit the right way on a feckin' toilet

Seems to me that Spanky, aka Herr Max, is still on his anti-Rockin' Ron crusade, despite the fact that RD has relinquished control to Martin Whitless.

We've just had one of the greatest F1 stories of all time and Little & Large are determined to feck the whole thing up

Beggars belief... but come the FOTA revolution, all will be well again

[Nordic]

I dont think the problem was what was said over the radio, its was then told the stewards afterwards.

Either way the penelty does seem harsh, it would have made more sense to dock Hamilition a place or time.

It looks like McLaren know something was not right as they have sacked someone over it. Little surprise it was not Hamiltion!

McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan - who accompanied Lewis Hamilton to the fateful stewards' meeting in Australia - has been seen leaving the track with packed bags. Subsequently there is speculation that he has left the team after more than 30 years' service. Communications director Matt Bishop told BBC Sport the team were "not confirming anything at the moment" but added that McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh would hold a news conference later on Friday.