number plates (uk only )

[Robbo SPS]

any one on here have a personalised plate with none correct spacing ?

[wishy]

Yep....pretzel has tw05 top on his Nissan

[Leftie]

Yep....pretzel has tw05 top on his Nissan

I freely admit that technically speaking my plates are illegal if the letter of the law is applied.

However, they are not 'personalised'. They did come with the car and the spacing is correct.

But they are changed to legal ones for the MoT.

BUT, I would never stitch up a mate as wishy seems to do here.

BTW Robbo, have a look at CA South Coast meet soon, dates to be organised. Looking at end of August.

[Nobby Diesel]

Yes, and the nice boys at Hampshire Constabulary gave me a £30 ticket for it.
Nothing better to do.

[redstu]

A recent story in the Newcastle evening chronicle showed a plate which had picked up a fine for its owner , the plate had been spotted by a camera , which apparently noted that the spacing was incorrect. There was a picture of the plate being held by the owner and it looked ok to me, the reg wasn't anything special just initials in the correct font.
It really is the sign of a surveilance state that fines a citizen for a minor technical offence picked up using remote surveilance.

[Kpy]

A recent story in the Newcastle evening chronicle showed a plate which had picked up a fine for its owner , the plate had been spotted by a camera , which apparently noted that the spacing was incorrect. There was a picture of the plate being held by the owner and it looked ok to me, the reg wasn't anything special just initials in the correct font.
It really is the sign of a surveilance state that fines a citizen for a minor technical offence picked up using remote surveilance.

To be fair to the police, the owner of the registration failed to mention that he was fined for having his company logo as part of the plate, which is obviously illegal.

[Robbo SPS]

my point is :

dvla are considering revoking plates thar are illegal if stopped. they would require photgraphic evidence to show they are legal.

basically :

if they are given £30 ticket by police, and photo taken, this info is sent to dvla.if a second ticket is issued then dvla may revoke the registration plate, thus meaning you couldnt drive it on the road.

its a new system and so will have issues, but for the worst offendings it could help.

personally i have neded to stop and interogate the plate to ascertai correct plate.

just thought i'd let you know, pass the word like. its the advice i'll be passing on in my pfofessional role.

( sorry for typing, still getting used to being one handed )

[redstu]

well done for spotting the illegal logo, In the article it stated that it was illegal spacing, so hence my comment that the plate looked ok. I fully agree with stopping and fining and revoking plates that are illegible due to ridiculous spacing or alteration or illegal fonts. However If in fact the offence was noted by a camera then I still think its taking things a bit far.

[Nobby Diesel]

my point is :

dvla are considering revoking plates thar are illegal if stopped. they would require photgraphic evidence to show they are legal.

basically :

if they are given £30 ticket by police, and photo taken, this info is sent to dvla.if a second ticket is issued then dvla may revoke the registration plate, thus meaning you couldnt drive it on the road.

its a new system and so will have issues, but for the worst offendings it could help.


personally i have neded to stop and interogate the plate to ascertai correct plate.

just thought i'd let you know, pass the word like. its the advice i'll be passing on in my pfofessional role.

( sorry for typing, still getting used to being one handed )

This is exactly what happened to me. The BiB that stopped me, took a photo and told me all that. He also said the DVLA could enforce a Q registartion to the vehicle (which may well impact on the resale value of the vehicl), if a second offence is recorded and the plate withdrawn. Not sure how true that is, as Q is for "indeterminate year of manufacture" as far as I am aware. Wouldn't that be punative too?

[Robbo SPS]

i think its the dvla own the registration, they can re-voke it. i'm sure the first person who has it reviked ill appeal, then the case law will determine future action.

[jpchenet]

A recent story in the Newcastle evening chronicle showed a plate which had picked up a fine for its owner , the plate had been spotted by a camera , which apparently noted that the spacing was incorrect. There was a picture of the plate being held by the owner and it looked ok to me, the reg wasn't anything special just initials in the correct font.
It really is the sign of a surveilance state that fines a citizen for a minor technical offence picked up using remote surveilance.

To be fair to the police, the owner of the registration failed to mention that he was fined for having his company logo as part of the plate, which is obviously illegal.

Is that illegal though??

There is a company in town that will make you your own plates up with whatever logo you want on them. People have national flags, football badges, etc on them.

They do insist on correct letter spacings and you have to have your V5 and ID with you!

[nopanic - neil]

When one of our cars was MOT recently, one of the notes was that the number plate was not the correct font and had incorrect spacing.

It still passed, this time.

But what I would guess is, when we get pulled in the future and the defence of "well we did not know" now goes out the window. As it is on the MOT computer system. So we stilled be nicked.

BIG brother is watching you. - He knows what, when and where you do it 

[Steve Pyro]

Our (sadly deceased) Trans Am had small font number plates.  This was commented on at the last MOT.  The car was registered in 2000 and the regulations changed on 1st September 2001.  There is, however, a paragraph that allows for this - "Display of Vehicle Registration Marks on Imported Vehicles (which have a restricted space for a standard sized number plate)"

Have a read of the DVLA data sheet attached.

[Lawnmower Man]

The interesting thing to me is that there are no torrences given in the document.    I would therefore conclude that all number plates are likely to be illegal.   Given the equipment is used to manufacture the Plates in what is effectively mass production I doubt that they produce Characters with an  exact hight width & stroke .  They may be slightly over or slightly under.  Now the spacing is interesting.  For plates Fitted after 1 September 2001 The spacing between groups  should be 33mm  So if it where 34mm or 32mm would that be deemed illegal.   

Another interesting point is that the document talks about Plate fitted before 1 September 2001 and Plates fitted after 1 September 2001.  What are the rules for Plates fitted on 1 September 2001.   So if you have a 1999 car and you break a number plate if you replace the plate it will be fittted after 1 September 2001.   Does that mean it must comply with the post 1 September 2001 rules? 

I wouldn't mind but I paid for some Jerk to produce all that cr*p.

t.

[Kpy]

Another interesting point is that the document talks about Plate fitted before 1 September 2001 and Plates fitted after 1 September 2001.  What are the rules for Plates fitted on 1 September 2001.   So if you have a 1999 car and you break a number plate if you replace the plate it will be fittted after 1 September 2001.   Does that mean it must comply with the post 1 September 2001 rules? 

The legislation itself refers in all instances to On or after 1 September 2001.





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