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« on: September 24, 2007, 03:15:26 pm »

Utter and crass stupidity.....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1285441,00.html

From memory, I can't recall that many sections of the A420 on which that sort of speed is achievable, even in a 911 Turbo.   His words to the police on being stopped sit pretty well up the rankings of understatement, both being caught doing that speed and being in a firm's car that he wasn't supposed to be driving in the first place.   

It seems that the company concerned http://www.helphire.co.uk/index.htm is in the business, through one of its subsidiaries, of supplying prestige cars to owners whose cars have been accident damaged.  Guess they need to vet their employees a little more carefully in the future....
 
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2007, 03:21:26 pm »

From Helphire web site - I wonder if the car he was driving?

Like the bit in bold.

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2007, 03:29:19 pm »

The car in the photo is not a Turbo - it's a standard looking C2.

A 997 Turbo would be a great deal more money than £49k

The fella is obviously a fool. Agree with Catchpole, far too lenient.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2007, 03:30:03 pm »

I agree.

On his release (At least 18 months from now) his licence should also be endorsed to ensure he only drives an FSO polonez.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2007, 03:39:04 pm »

Didn't Top Gear show those Gatsos didn't work at over 170 mph? This one did Grin

And yes, I agree. Driving fast can be fun, but 275 kms p/h is insane on public roads Undecided
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 04:32:36 pm »

The car in the photo is not a Turbo - it's a standard looking C2.

A 997 Turbo would be a great deal more money than £49k

The fella is obviously a fool. Agree with Catchpole, far too lenient.

Nobby mate, i detect anorak speak, by all means know the difference and qualities of ale, but the differences in porkers, you have far too much spare time, smile

Agreed, far too much spare time!

Anorak firmly in place.

Turbo is easy to spot though - great big holes in the body work , behind the doors, for the air to get across the coolers.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 07:05:16 pm »

It was not a gatso that cought him, it is was a police car speed gun in a layby.

Far too small a sentence, 6 months in prison and a 5 year ban, Forced to take license after and restricted to cars with under 100Hp in future. That would send the message home.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2007, 12:23:42 am »

Agree with Peter,  but on release give him a C5. No not the Citroen but the Sinclair.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2007, 12:25:20 am »

Dont want to seem like I think its ok to do those sorts of speed on A roads but I personaly think that the faster driver is far more alert to what he is doing, and I do think that the speed limits on some roads is far too low, I spend up to 10 hours a day on U.k roads I see all kinds of drivers have to say that the person most likely to cause problems and accidents is the slow and over cautious driver. I do find it very hard to get my work done in light of some of these speed limits camera sites and the usual old fart etc etc drivers who see 30mph limits and slow down to 25mph very frustrating if you have to be somwhere! Might I also point out that German motorways are unrestricted (correct me if I am wrong its been a while since I have been there) the greater speeds dont cause death and destruction in any greater numbers than in the uk. If government and all the other do-gooders get their way we had just as well go back to a poney and trap, that will also probably incur legislation ,methane polution, waste by product tax per bucket blah blah blah, My point is that it wont be worth owning a car anymore for fear of being called a lunatic or being jailed for daring to drive our cars over 30mph...................rant over!  Angry
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2007, 10:33:10 am »

ok. try this on for size.

a car travelling at nearly 3 miles a minute on an a road. hits a piece of debris and suffers a tyre failure. your wife and kids in a car travelling in the opposite direction get killed / seriously injured.

Autobahns are all to be restricted to 155 or possible less in the near future.

There are plenty of airfield / trackdays available, where the speeds are not restricted in any way.

There's a time and a place for everything. His time is too short, but the place is correct.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2007, 10:59:31 am »

Now we all speed, over the limit a little bit, but not by this much.

Agree if you want to go that fast stick to a track or airfield. Not a flipping “A” road.

Know a guy who was told once by a policeman  (before speed cameras)

That if you are going to speed, the best place to speed is on the motorway, because there are no pedestrians and everyone is going in the same direction (well 3 lanes at least). But it’s still very dangerous anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2007, 11:01:52 am »

There's a time and a place to do 172mph, although there are very few of them and an A road nr Abingdon is not on the list
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2007, 06:24:53 pm »

Supposed story of Winston Chuchill at a cocktail party where he'd had a few brandies:-

Chuchill - Excuse me madam but would you sleep with me?

Woman (outraged) - No! Certainly not Winston!!

Churchill - Hmmm, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?

Woman - Hmmm, yes I guess I would...

Winston - Ok, would you sleep with me for a tenner?

Woman - No of course not! What sort of woman do you take me for?

Churchill - Madam, we have already discovered what sort of woman you are, we're simply negotiating the price....

All I'm saying is that we all speed, it's simply a question of degrees. Ok, hands up those who have never done 120mph on the road as either a driver or passenger? Quite a few of us I expect. Clearly 170mph is ridiculous and dangerous and deserves a stretch inside. But do we all have such clean hands? A blow out at 110mph wouldn't be a stroll in the park and it's just as liable to kill an innocent third party on his way to the newsagent for a Daily Mirror and twenty Bensons.......
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2007, 11:29:04 pm »

All I'm saying is that we all speed, it's simply a question of degrees. Ok, hands up those who have never done 120mph on the road as either a driver or passenger? Quite a few of us I expect. Clearly 170mph is ridiculous and dangerous and deserves a stretch inside. But do we all have such clean hands? A blow out at 110mph wouldn't be a stroll in the park and it's just as liable to kill an innocent third party on his way to the newsagent for a Daily Mirror and twenty Bensons.......
I agree Mr Zarse on all the above. I wish my Ex Boss and his brother could read all this as they both hit 180 mph plus on the puddletown bypass, one in a porker Turbo and the other in a Lamborghini Murch.
Its not big and not clever.... I did 125 mph on the empty M3 on Xmas day years back.... then slowed to 70 and realised just how much ground I HAD been covering. Had anything happened.... who knows. Wont be doing that again.
OH.. AND I HOPE THE DRIVER OF THE WHITE LAMBO GAYARDO WHO WAS DOING WELL OVER A TON IN THE WET ON THE M27 ON MONDAY MORNING CHOOSES HIS CRASH ZONE WELL.... IF IT HAD BEEN WHEN I SAW HIM IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CARNAGE. PRICK!!!
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2007, 11:59:46 pm »

Dont want to seem like I think its ok to do those sorts of speed on A roads but I personaly think that the faster driver is far more alert to what he is doing, and I do think that the speed limits on some roads is far too low, I spend up to 10 hours a day on U.k roads I see all kinds of drivers have to say that the person most likely to cause problems and accidents is the slow and over cautious driver. I do find it very hard to get my work done in light of some of these speed limits camera sites and the usual old fart etc etc drivers who see 30mph limits and slow down to 25mph very frustrating if you have to be somwhere! Might I also point out that German motorways are unrestricted (correct me if I am wrong its been a while since I have been there) the greater speeds dont cause death and destruction in any greater numbers than in the uk. If government and all the other do-gooders get their way we had just as well go back to a poney and trap, that will also probably incur legislation ,methane polution, waste by product tax per bucket blah blah blah, My point is that it wont be worth owning a car anymore for fear of being called a lunatic or being jailed for daring to drive our cars over 30mph...................rant over!  Angry

A few points here that raise a few concerns for me.

"faster driver, more alert"
This may very well be true. However, the laws of physics remain the same. The faster you are going, the more distance you need to stop. Not all other road users will be "tuned in" to someone who is smashing the speed limit. 10, 20 maybe even 30 MPH over on a motorway is not too much of a problem. Statistically, the safest road type.

"slower drivers likely to cause more accidents"
Well, actually, whilst very irritating, they are not particularly high risk. Exessive speed is the root cause of around 70% of collisions apparently.
My experience is that if I encounter a "slow" driver, I can normally negotiate my way past him without incident.
The "fast" driver that approaches far more quickly than I was anticipating, is the one that seems to represent more problems.

"Autobahn speeds"
I can support this with data or evidence, but I have seen a number of autobahn stacks, and they weren't pretty. If there is a m'way smash, the higher the speed, the worse it'll be. The only caveat to this that I can think of is poor weather. A lower overall speed in poor vis conditions may result in a higher impact speed. When weather is good, you get a chance to break before impact earlier than in poor vis conditions. viz M4 smash in fog about 10 years ago; average speed 60 MPH, but massive stack, as nobody could see it. 10 dead I think.
Risk of fatality in the UK per 100,000 head of population is 6.7
Germany is 10.
Figures taken from a recent TRL study.


I hope we are not restricted to the pony and trap, as I love driving my car.

But stupid speeds on public roads are just that. Stupid.

Sorry folks, this wan't particularly well written as I've had a sherry or 2.

Just modified this.

Interesting point......

Germany :- 61% road deaths are car drivers, UK :- 50%

Pedestrians, Germany :-13%, UK :- 27%.

So, if you are driving, do it in the UK, if you fancy a walk, go to Germany!
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