Corrupt F1?

[oldtimer]

I know - I am sure some will think much the same about my contributions too...

[Ferrari Spider]

I know - I am sure some will think much the same about my contributions too...

Same here, don't think I've come across so many "correct" views about a single subject.  Just goes to show how diverse mother nature is

[oldtimer]

I know - I am sure some will think much the same about my contributions too...

don't think I've come across so many "correct" views about a single subject.

Whaddya mean - mine are the only correct views!!!

[Ferrari Spider]

I know - I am sure some will think much the same about my contributions too...

don't think I've come across so many "correct" views about a single subject.

Whaddya mean - mine are the only correct views!!!

EXACTLEY

[termietermite]

C'mon. Everybody on this site is right all the time - except when they're wrong of course.  (Loose translation - disagree with me.)

[fagey]

did I see that old dog FS flying the harrier in our international air display last week.. or was it Red 1??

[Piglet]

Oh Joy of Joy's

This week's Autosport magazine is a bumper edition following Michael Schumacher's retirement announcement at the Italian GP. Along with a photographic tribute, read Martin Brundle's personal and exclusive analysis on the great man, plus all the details of what's next for Ferrari, and the controversy of an enthralling world title battle.

Didn't think it warranted a new thread,

 

Oh WOW someone who still reads Autosport 

[Ferrari Spider]

Oh Joy of Joy's

This week's Autosport magazine is a bumper edition following Michael Schumacher's retirement announcement at the Italian GP. Along with a photographic tribute, read Martin Brundle's personal and exclusive analysis on the great man, plus all the details of what's next for Ferrari, and the controversy of an enthralling world title battle.

Didn't think it warranted a new thread,

 

Oh WOW someone who still reads Autosport 

Hmmmh NO!  just get the odd e-mail from them, that's how I knowed about it

[Piglet]

Oh Joy of Joy's

This week's Autosport magazine is a bumper edition following Michael Schumacher's retirement announcement at the Italian GP. Along with a photographic tribute, read Martin Brundle's personal and exclusive analysis on the great man, plus all the details of what's next for Ferrari, and the controversy of an enthralling world title battle.

Didn't think it warranted a new thread,

 

Oh WOW someone who still reads Autosport 

Hmmmh NO!  just get the odd e-mail from them, that's how I knowed about it

Yeah yeah I believe you, your secret is safe with me 

[Fax]

Oldtimer, I was being sarcastic regarding F1 being turned into a single chassis spec formula My point being that the tech regs for F1 have become so restrictive that it effectively is a spec formula.  The cars are virtually identical by the nature of the regulations they're built to.  As for Brundle, Martin has spent a lot of time over the years sying he was as fast Senna in F3, agreed, he gave Senna a hard time in F3 In 1983, it didn't translate to F1 though.  Again, was being sarcastic.
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[Nobby Diesel]

John,
You haven't been rattling peoples cages again, have you? Perish the thought!

I suspect that there will be a renewed enthusiasm over here for F1 soon, when our very own Lewis Hamilton gets his drive.

I've only watched a few of the GP2 races, but this lad seems to have the credentials to make the step up to F1. Lets hope so.

All the same, I still won't be paying to watch him, as good as he may be.

ND

[Fax]

Hi Nobby, someone's got to do it.  A forum full of people in agreement is pretty fricking dull.
Oldtimer, you mentioned a manufacturers pullout, that would be the best thing to happen to F1.  For my money the less manufacturer interest, the better the racing.  If you look back to the sixties & seventies when there was very little big manfacturer involvment, the racing was fabulous, with big grids and opportunites for small budget teams to do well. The sport really went into the crapper when companies like Honda and Renault decided to try and spend everyone into oblivion.  Let them go and form their own series, it'll be just as boring as the made for TV crap the FIA feeds people now.  I've never bought into the idea for one second that having a bunch of big, cost no object companies invloved is a good thing for the sport.
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[garyfrogeye]

Hi Nobby, someone's got to do it.  A forum full of people in agreement is pretty fricking dull.
Oldtimer, you mentioned a manufacturers pullout, that would be the best thing to happen to F1.  For my money the less manufacturer interest, the better the racing.  If you look back to the sixties & seventies when there was very little big manfacturer involvment, the racing was fabulous, with big grids and opportunites for small budget teams to do well. The sport really went into the crapper when companies like Honda and Renault decided to try and spend everyone into oblivion.  Let them go and form their own series, it'll be just as boring as the made for TV crap the FIA feeds people now.  I've never bought into the idea for one second that having a bunch of big, cost no object companies invloved is a good thing for the sport.
Fax

Like Audi?

[oldtimer]

Oldtimer, you mentioned a manufacturers pullout, that would be the best thing to happen to F1.  For my money the less manufacturer interest, the better the racing.

Fax - I agree with you on the point about quality of racing, but with the manufacturers would go the money and the media influence so the 'non-manaufacturer' formula would be marginalised - however good the racing itself.

The manufacturer, media and glamour circus would dust itself down, recreate F1 and the wider world would probably never hear another word about the 'better' category that had been created in parallel.

[Nordic]

Its strange that unlike F1, the era's we best associate with great Sportscar teams and races are the ones with the strongest manaufacture presence, the late 60's when Ford spared no expense with the GT40 to rattle enzos cage, then when that era ended after Porsche, Ferrari, Alfa, Ford, Matra etc all had a turn at being best, Sportscar went into decline thur the 70's during which F1 started to grow into the monster it has now become.

We then had a wonderful time again with works teams from Porsche, Jag, Lancia, Merc, Nissan, Toyota etc all running in Grp C before it went tits up and since then dispite some brief returns with GT1's in the late 90's nothing to match them.

I guess works team should keep out of F1, leave that to the specialist small teams and stick to sportcars where they can promote there Brand without it being swamped in a wave of Shumi fever where most members of the public are not looking at what he drives but what he wears orhis latest hair care product.

Brundle against Senna in F3, Brundle could I think run with him from time to time, but was never on his level, and their respective F1 careers proved who could drive faster.
That does not change the fact that I think senna was a twat and did more to damage racing and created the racing ethos perfected by Schmacher. They where both however bloody fast drivers.