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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2005, 12:24:05 pm » |
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Yeh, found it, was searching with Gerry and not Gerald.
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There is a corner of a foreign field that will be forever England ------ Houx Annexe
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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2005, 01:00:19 pm » |
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This is how it used to be done, by the master himself Mr G Villeneuve. The Murray Walker commentary is a bit subdued compared to his later offerings but it was probably done from a studio in London as the Beeb wouldn't pay to let him go abroad. It's a crap quality clip but when did we last see this sort of racing in F1? http://www.globalserve.net/~trauttf/Gilles/Dijon79.mpeg |
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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2005, 01:18:12 pm » |
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One of the finest pieces of racing footage ever. I particularly love the way GV did not drive down the inside of the straight, almost daring Arnoux to try to out brake the very last of the late breakers !  Probably not possible today with car with no flexibility of handling whatsoever. Slightest twitch and you have to catch it instantly or you're in the barriers.  Bring back slicks and ban all but a single plane front a rear wing. |
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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2005, 01:19:35 pm » |
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Andy, most excellent what a ding dong, would that have been Rene Arnooo as Murray says driving the Renault? Turbo cars as well ?
Who knows with the rule changes coming up we could very see that sort of driving again.
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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2005, 01:23:10 pm » |
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when did we last see this sort of racing in F1?
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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2005, 01:45:20 pm » |
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Ah the good old days. I doubt very much we will ever see F1 racing as good as this again. I fear you are right on that score Bob. Perhaps the FIA should take a close look at the aerodynamic profiles of these cars and compare them with todays. Until such time as the aerodynamics of the cars are changed drastically the racing will continue to be no-existant |
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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2005, 02:22:59 pm » |
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Great clip there Andy, I have that whole race on VHS.
What set the whole race up was the start GV made, rocketing from the second row into the lead and Rene nearly stalling his Renault at the start. It took Jabouille a long to time to catch and pass Gilles and Rene had to scyth through the field, breaking the lap record over & over again to get back to Gilles. Caught and passed him with a couple of laps to go but just then Rene's Renault turbo began to suffer from fuel pick-up problems, and we the fans were the ones to benefit. Rene stayed within striking distance and Gilles on spent tires went for it!
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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2005, 06:01:51 pm » |
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I don't think there are two drivers in F1 now that would not force the other onto the grass in the same situation.
The cars back then where clearly more driveable and gave the driver more options when racing wheel to wheel.
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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2005, 06:48:35 pm » |
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I don't think there are two drivers in F1 now that would not force the other onto the grass in the same situation.
The cars back then where clearly more driveable and gave the driver more options when racing wheel to wheel.
Agreed 100%. My bitching about contemporary F1 is not really with the drivers (other than them becoming corporate stooges) but moreover with the highly technical, highly boring machinery. Also the administrators such as Bernie and Max are a disgrace. What in God's name have the Chinese and Turkish races got to do with Grand Prix racing other than marketing exercises? As spectacle and a sport it has suffered greatly. |
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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2005, 07:25:37 pm » |
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Just thinking about the chinese side of the house, i don't think they have the same smoking advertising restrictions we do in the EU. Not sure if all the teams are totally ditching their tobacco connections.
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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2005, 07:51:55 pm » |
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The James Hunt book is excellent, and a very deep analysis of James that I wonder if he could have done if James were still alive to criticize it (although I suspect he would have approved). I understand from later analysis that James was manic-depressive, at least in his later years; was that verified, does anyone know? My favourite James quote of all time was during a race in Monaco when Murray exclaimed that someone was "on fire as he came into the Swimming Pool" and James replied, "Well, that will put him out, then."  I will start reading the autobiography of Nigel "It's All About Me" Mansell next. ---------------- As for whether and whither F1, I think it now suffers (besides from the Ron Dennis School of RoboSpeak) from the same problem that happened in hockey -- and I believe Sir Jackie Stewart pointed it out in F1, actually: that as the cars have become safer and safer, the drivers have become more dangerous. Now that they are virtually assured to walk away from any prang, they don't hesitate to ram other cars or force them into the curb, gravel traps, et al. regardless of consequences. I remember Eddie Irvine in the Jaguar forcing Bernoldi into the tire wall at a very high rate of speed, and then parking and piling out of his car to run and help pull the tire wall off the Prost and rescue the other driver; he was quite shaken up by the result of his action when he thought he had killed a fellow driver, but clearly he hadn't considered the effect of his action until he saw it. On the other hand we have the delightful spectacle of Jean Alesi chasing Jarno Trulli through the infield in Montreal -- Trulli running backward because he was afraid to stop and turn around -- with Alesi shouting "I WEEL KEEL YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!" after Trulli saw him off, which was a delightful echo of the days when drivers could be told apart without consulting the program. |
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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2005, 08:14:27 pm » |
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Yes Kate, from what I understand James suffered quite severely from depression in his later years. Decades of boozing, dope smoking and packing his nose can't have done much for his emotional state. I don't think I could stomach anything written by the Drama Queen Mansell. That guy makes me want to puke everytime I see him He wore his welcome out over here so fast it was mind-boggling. That guy pissed & moaned more than any group of fifteen year girls you've ever met.  The blame for the conduct of racing drivers today can be laid on one person....Senna! The FIA let him get away with all his bullshit and the standard of driving has plummeted ever since. Fax |
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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2005, 09:42:23 pm » |
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....a delightful echo of the days when drivers could be told apart without consulting the program.
A wonderful quote Kate. Fax, Mansell was well known for his wingeing over here too. I remember when he was the 'guest star driver' at a BTCC event and had a "slight coming together" with Tiff Needell. Although some of the blame may have been Tiffs, Mansell was equally at fault but made sure he made his point, in no uncertain terms, to Needell. |
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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2005, 01:13:38 am » |
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Great to see real men driving real cars on a real mans circuit and actually racing .
Even Schumacher squealed like a girl proclaiming how dangerous the 80's ferrari turbo was after having 'driven' one, the f**k*ng poof.
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