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Boys at TVR do it again!
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2005, 11:56:16 am » |
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2005, 12:06:42 pm » |
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Nothing more than a draw... they still sound better, though.
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I don't care - I'm a racing driver and I'm here to win, not to finish third.
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I'm not fat just big boned.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2005, 02:24:27 pm » |
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No idea - but who won GT 2? !!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2005, 05:53:13 pm » |
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Wohoo! Looks like we could be in store for a Petit Le Mans tie-breaker (come on Dave Richards, bring 'em over, you know you want to). Roll on Road Atlanta.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2005, 06:16:39 pm » |
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No idea - but who won GT 2? !!!!!!
A fantastic achievement Jon, Alex Job/BAM effort was stellar. I told you all that Mike Rockenfeller is a star in the making! Am I right or am I right? First saw him driving for Flying Lizard at Daytona 3 years ago and it was obvious he was destined for success in this sport. He'll be in a works Porsche next - don't forget, you saw it here first. The little yellow roundel on the cars wing end-plate made all the difference! |
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If it\'s good and fast, it won\'t be cheap. If it\'s fast and cheap, it won\'t be good. If it\'s good and cheap, it won\'t be fast.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2005, 08:31:33 pm » |
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I'm not going to gloat for a couple of reasons 1) I got it wrong at Sebring 2) Prodrive delivered a very creditable performance as a worthy adversary to GM/Pratt & Miller. Being forced to get this years fix by TV, I saw some very insightful interviews during the race, with key spokesmen from both teams. At around 10.00pm Saturday, Doug Feehan (GM) was asked if he was worried, in that the DBR9 had the measure of the Corvette on the straights and at the time was opening out the lead it had on the C6. He smiled and replied, "No, I'm not worried. We work to a strict plan. Everything, apart from two punctures, is going exactly to plan". When pressed on this, he said, "Come back tomorrow at 3.30pm and we'll have this conversation again". Dave Richards said he was worried that the Corvettes had been "sand-bagging" (not running as hard in qualifying as they were capable of. Why they would do this, I'm not sure, but as it turned out, he may have been right. On Sunday afternoon, as Prodrive's valliant campaign was starting to come un-glued, Feehan said, "We are running a pace that will enable us to maintain our track position. If they (Prodrive) up the pace, we will take the appropriate action". He was then asked what he thought went wrong with the Prodrive effort. He shrugged and said, "They didn't stick to their plan and they assumed that they were stretching us". His final comment was equally insightful. "You don't win this race - moreover, you lose it. Today, Prodrive lost it." From a personal perspective, the Corvette team were just frighteningly efficient. Their pit work was awesome (and Prodrive made a few errors in the pits) and the way the C6R drives out of the corners is just mind-melting. I hope that Prodrive has the funding to keep this thing going - and I would have been pleased if they had pulled it off at the weekend (domination isn't good for the sport). I can only imagine what the support for Astom Martin was like in the tribunes - and I guess a few of you have newly acquired green baseball caps. As Fax says - a winner takes all showdown at Road Atlanta would be incredible - not all that likely, but incredible...... |
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If it\'s good and fast, it won\'t be cheap. If it\'s fast and cheap, it won\'t be good. If it\'s good and cheap, it won\'t be fast.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2005, 09:08:08 pm » |
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Just goes to show, its all about having the experience to hold your nerve and keep to the strategy with an alternate one as plan B.
The Corvettes and their support team were metronomically consistent which paid off in the end.
The Astons were awsome, and I reckon, looked better through the corners than the vetts. I think the early stop go penalties took their toll at the later stages - but thats the way it goes.
Looking forward to some great battles to come - come on you Astons!!
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2005, 09:45:20 pm » |
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The Astons were awsome, and I reckon, looked better through the corners than the vetts. I think the early stop go penalties took their toll at the later stages on you Astons!!
You were there and I wasn't, so I'll defer to you, but on the TV the DBR9 looked a little skittish, whereas the in-car footage of the C6 had it fair launching out of Mulsanne, Indianapolis and Arnage - and the noise it makes (in the car) is phenominal. Stop go's only affected one car, of course and were unfair in my view. I don't think Turner was cheating - he just over-cooked it at the 2nd chicane a couple of times (got 59 totally airbourne the 2nd time). Had that been a French entry, I don't think the ACO would have batted an eyelid. So they were wronged there, withot question. What cost them was the time taken to repair the splitter on 59 after the 2nd 'flight', the fuel vapor-lock on 58 (cruel, being so late in the race, but they were falling off Corvette pace by then) and a bad pit mistake on Sunday pm when 59 left the box with a very obvious water leak that some of the team spotted, but the board-man didn't. It had to re-pit next lap and smoked the motor in the process. They'll bounce back, as long as they have the funding. |
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If it\'s good and fast, it won\'t be cheap. If it\'s fast and cheap, it won\'t be good. If it\'s good and cheap, it won\'t be fast.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2005, 10:24:54 pm » |
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At around 10.00pm Saturday... ...we were all getting drunk at the shampoo bar. Sorry to throw that in but I just had to. Seriously, I just catched up with DSC to find out what actually happened. I'm astonished at how much I missed despite RLM. Congratulations to BAM btw, it seems to have been an all US fight in GT2 at the end. I didn't see the final 4 hours because I had to leave early. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2005, 09:46:44 am » |
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No idea - but who won GT 2? !!!!!!
A fantastic achievement Jon, Alex Job/BAM effort was stellar. I told you all that Mike Rockenfeller is a star in the making! Am I right or am I right? First saw him driving for Flying Lizard at Daytona 3 years ago and it was obvious he was destined for success in this sport. He'll be in a works Porsche next - don't forget, you saw it here first. The little yellow roundel on the cars wing end-plate made all the difference! Rocky is a star but Marc is not too shabby either. Rocky did get the fastest lap but was only 300ths of a second quicker than Marc. I also think that they both do pretty well making time up for Leo. Also check out the rear wings and bonnet of the car for our logo which was put on for free by the guys again. The BAM car was not the only car to have little yellow roundels quite a few were twatted on the grid at the start of the race. |
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2005, 11:21:51 am » |
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" the DBR9 looked a little skittish, whereas the in-car footage of the C6 had it fair launching out of Mulsanne, Indianapolis and Arnage - and the noise it makes (in the car) is phenominal."
Absolutly agree that the vetts noise was incredible when blasting out of the corners, watched them at Mulsane and Arnage corners and out of the Porsche curves, the Astons were on the power earlier and just looked better composed - different animals.
Re penalties and pit stops, unfortunate but thats the way it is and of course where the experience and strategegy pays off.
Great racing to come as the cars are both refined and the Aston team get it together more.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2005, 11:29:37 am » |
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You were there and I wasn't, so I'll defer to you, but on the TV the DBR9 looked a little skittish, whereas the in-car footage of the C6 had it fair launching out of Mulsanne, Indianapolis and Arnage - and the noise it makes (in the car) is phenominal.
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The only way i can describe it is the difference between driving a V8 and an inline 4....
The vettes look wallowy and heavy in arnage, indy, and on the exit to the Porsche Curves (thanks to the bloke with the scaffolding) and appeared unable to put the power down as early as the Astons....
The Astons looked stable, and ready to accelerate a good 1/2 second before the vettes.....
We did have a long conversation about how an engine designed 20 years ago in essence, could compete with an engine designed a year or so again.....
All credit to the Corvette/P&M team, they drove a solid race, but theyre cars are never going to be as pretty as the ProDrive Astons. I think its undeniable that the Astons would have won had they had as much of an uneventful and lucky race as the vettes (thinking back the penalised car was some 1.5 mins down on the lead having served 3 mins and a stop go penalties in the early stages) but there are two messages from the weekend.
Firstly - experience is everything - lucky or not, the experience of the corvette team to deal with situations and strategies won them the race this weekend.
Secondly - to finish first, first you have to finish....23 hours means you haven't finished.......
unlucky on the Prodrive team who I know came with a lot of expectation, and a real determination to win - well done to Corvette, but don't expect to be holding on to that trophy next year - as experience grows, the luck gap shortens........
Brad
P.S. Well done to the Brits on the start finish straight.....never heard the british national anthem louder than the french before!! Get In!
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2005, 01:19:27 am » |
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Some sense and some nonesense there, I'll venture Brad. It's clear who's camp you're in and all power to you, but to state that The Corvette win was ostensibly down to spawny luck is taking your bias a little far, I feel.
It is a shame that there will be all too few more opportunities for these two teams to compete with each other this year and you are right (as Feehan said) "We are defending the hill" - but I don't think the yellow juggernaut is just going to sit there and wait to be consumed by Prodrive. Compare GM's performance upgrade between Pre-Qual and the race weekend. Sebring was a good wake-up call, that maybe made them realise that they had some competition again.
The scary aspect of this last race was that it's accepted that the DBR9's were being run to their maximum potential. Many are now speculating that the 'Vette's weren't on the limit of their performance and demonstrated it on Sunday afternoon.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2005, 06:23:06 am » |
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Just a quick thought. Both the Vette's and Aston's are for all intents & purposes brand new cars, both fielded by battle hardened, crack outfits. Its going to be down to who can can the most out of the development of these new cars and make the fewest mistakes.
Blaming a loss on "bad luck" is just pissing & moaning. You make your own luck, at Sebring the Vette's had tangles with backmarkers and a bad batch of brake rotors, at LM the Aston's were let down by driving mistakes and pit screw-ups. Luck has little to do with any of those.
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