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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2013, 02:41:04 pm »

It is true that commercially viable electric cars thus far have been city cars, but that doesn't mean they have to be.

The Tesla and other electric sports cars have shown that electric propulsion can make a car go fast. Efficient electric motors are already well developed. They are not the problem. The crux of the barrier to the range of electric vehicles is energy density. Petrol is relatively safe and simple, and has an energy density of about 46 MJ per kilo. Lithium batteries on the other hand have an energy density of about 2 MJ per kilo. Electric motors used in cars have an efficiency of up to 90% but petrol engines peak at about 30 to 40%. Even adding efficiency to the equation, petrol still comes out as having just under 10 times the range for an equivalent weight of batteries.

When some bright spark invents a small, light and safe battery with an energy density of over 12 MJ per kilo, the range of electric vehicles will be extended to match their petrol powered counterparts.

Edit->>> 1MJ of energy will run a single bar electric fire for about 17 minutes.


Electric cars make sense in cities, where most journeys are short, it's easy to set up charging points and you don't actually need motorway-type performance. They aren't an all-round substitute for petrol/diesel cars, and the mistake people make is in expecting the two to to be interchangeable. So they have a role as urban transport. Motorsport can help develop the technology.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2013, 07:08:40 pm »

But what's the point of formula e. Yes oil will run out one day but having formula e does what? Hybrid systems, alternative fuels i can see but having a formula which requires 2 cars per driver just looks bloody stupid to me.
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2013, 08:05:48 pm »

I think we're waiting for Di Lithium batteries (The engines won't take any more Cap'n, the Di Lithium crystals have had it)

If you remember the old mobile phones, the batteries were bigger than a fag packet. Now they're the size of a book of matches.  Give it another 20 years and its feasable.  Until then, please can we keep the experiments in the laboratory
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 08:30:25 pm »

Is two cars per driver any stranger than three drivers per car?

What? A race where you need three drivers for just one car... madness!

But what's the point of formula e. Yes oil will run out one day but having formula e does what? Hybrid systems, alternative fuels i can see but having a formula which requires 2 cars per driver just looks bloody stupid to me.
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2013, 08:54:25 pm »

I think we're waiting for Di Lithium batteries (The engines won't take any more Cap'n, the Di Lithium crystals have had it)

If you remember the old mobile phones, the batteries were bigger than a fag packet. Now they're the size of a book of matches.  Give it another 20 years and its feasable.  Until then, please can we keep the experiments in the laboratory

My first 'mobile phone' had a battery the size of a house brick and was clipped to the top of it, connected by a cord. I think the point is (as GF has already said) how much energy can you get into a small enough package to make the performance and/or range of a purely electric vehicle practicable. Granted the Tesla has great performance and a reasonable (but still small) range but the energy still has to come from another generated source. That is why I originally questioned why there was not more development in fuel cell technology in racing.  I look forward to more projects like the Green GT, and more explanation as to why the Hydrogen approach is not more vigorously pursued.
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2013, 10:17:02 pm »

That is why I originally questioned why there was not more development in fuel cell technology in racing.  I look forward to more projects like the Green GT, and more explanation as to why the Hydrogen approach is not more vigorously pursued.

Governments might not be to keen to promote this tech, because it might be differcult to tax?
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2013, 08:49:51 am »

Governments might not be to keen to promote this tech, because it might be differcult to tax?
Cynic me?

I can't see why it would be more difficult to tax liquid hydrogen fuel compared with petrol, diesel or LPG. What would be the problem?
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