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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2012, 11:22:29 pm »

The ACO are very protective of their carefully weighted technical regulations that change slowly enough not to upset teams, manufacturers and partners. Changes are often announced up to 2 or 3 years ahead of coming into force. I can't see the ACO carving-up ACO regs for 2014 just to please Grand Am.

Although the ALMS runs to ACO regs, only a handful of ALMS teams come to Le Mans these days compared with ten years ago. If the France empire takeover reverses that trend then I'm in favour of it, just so long as those ugly tubular steel frame phoney protos stay the other side of the Atlantic.

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2012, 12:34:50 am »

This is Larry Morgan (of Turn 10)'s synopsis of the press conference.

Just watched the live stream of the combined press conference of Grand-Am and ALMS, at the Daytona 500 Club, and here is my synopsis. The conference lasted a little less than an hour, and both put me at ease, as well as left a lot of unanswered questions. Four main individuals were seated at the head table...Jim France, Dr. Panoz, Scott Atherton and Ed Bennett, who all spoke and then fielded questions from the press. I'll address what I perceive as the unanswered questions first:
 
1) Road Atlanta and Sebring, as well as Watkins Glen, are "in the mix", but no mention of "ownership" of the tracks. All three track managers were present. Scott Atherton alluded to the fact that Dr. Panoz' assets (meaning the tracks), were brought to the merger along with Watkins Glen. No mention was made of Mosport.
 
2) Tech specs (formula) is yet to be determined. It appears both DP and Prototypes will be included, but not necessarily LMP1!
 
3) Relationship with FIA, WEC, and ACO is still to be determined! (see comments below).
 
4) Tires, whether single source or multiple manufacturers, is yet to be determined.
 
5) Sponsors for series yet to be ironed out. (both Rolex and Patron were present).
 
6) Support series are also to be determined.
 
What was present, however, was a mutual passion and dedication to sportscar racing, especially in North America, and a mutual dedication to insure that sportscar racing in North America continues and, in fact, develops into the premier sportscar series in the world! (I sensed, personal opinion only, that they have had it with WEC, ACO and FIA!)
 
Another interesting fact: Discussions on the merger started 6 months and 14 days ago on a golf course between Jim France and Dr. Panoz. It was precipitated by some discussions with Scott Sharp and Ed Brown with Jim France at the previous Daytona 24, and later discussions between Scott Atherton and Jim France, before the golf match. They touted it as the best kept secret in motorsports history! Discussions were held with sponsors, teams, manufacturers, etc., in the ensuing days.
 
Now, for the overall summary:
 
1) Grand-Am and ALMS are merging into one organization, with the goal of sportscar racing "reaching it's pinnacle" and becoming the "premier sportscar series in the world"!
 
2) The 2013 schedule for both series will continue as originally planned for 2013.
 
3) Beginning with the Daytona 24 in January 2014, the two series will run as one as a combined North American championship series, followed by the Sebring 12 Hr, which will be co-produced, co-advertised, etc.
 
4) Dr. Panoz will be the Vice-Chair of the Board of Directors for the new series.
 
5) The name of the new series is yet to be determined.
 
6) It is the desire of the new series that they continue their relationship with the ACO and the 24 Hr. of LeMans, and is also the wish of the new head of the ACO, but it was made clear that the first priority lies with the fans in North America, the manufacturers, and the teams. As was stated..."After all, this IS a North American series"! They would "like" however, to have a few teams qualify for LeMans. As stated, "it's easier said than done", but they are "up to the challenge".
 
7) It is too early to determine the "class structure", but almost certainly, the GT categories of both ALMS and GA will continue.
 
Cool Combined practice sessions of the various classes will be held prior to establishing the final formula.
 
9) It is anticipated that the 2014 Daytona 24 and Sebring 12 will attract more fans and more entries, with many teams fielded from "overseas" with both domestic and international manufacturers.
 
10) DP's were "alluded to" as continuing, with the caveat that they were taking into consideration, the previous investments and the commitment of the teams. It wasn't that strong, however, so my personal feeling is that the DP's will eventually disappear, probably by attrition.
 
11) The schedules will be merged with the "best and brightest" of both GA and ALMS cars. Initial thought is a 12 race series. Certainly, Daytona, Sebring, Road Atlanta and Watkins Glen will be on the schedule, with the remaining tracks to be decided. I would think that Mid-O, Road America, and other "MAJOR" tracks would be there also. In all likelihood, (my opinion) all the ISC tracks would be included. The ability to negotiate favorable television packages will also play a role.
 
12) The Delta Wing car is "part of the agreement" and still in the mix. Again, it was emphasized that LMP1 was beyond the current capability of GA and ALMS, but DP's and LeMans Prototypes will be continued, but they will take care of the "American series" and "OUR interests" first.
 
So...there you have it. Apparently, there is still a lot of work to be done, and we still have no vision as to what to expect, but I sensed a total commitment from both series to make this work.
 
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 01:59:51 am »

As for a 12 race schedule, mine would be lined up like this, Daytona 24, Sebring 12, Long Beach (with the Indycars), Laguna Seca, Mid-Ohio, Break for LeMans, Road America, Watkins Glen 6Hrs, IMS, Circuit GV Montreal, Mosport, Lime Rock, Road Atlanta Petit LM.
My guess, but can think of another handful of venues that would work as well if they want a bigger schedule, or don't want to share dates (Long Beach, Indy, Montreal) as has been a regular feature in the past of both ALMS and GA. Sears Point, Barber MS Park, New Jersey, VIR, Miller MS Park Utah would all work nicely.
I would think Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen, Road America, Mid-Ohio, Mosport, and Road Atlanta are all absolute's, beyond those, who knows?
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2012, 09:11:54 am »

Heaven knows if the WEC will survive until 2014, but lets imagine for a moment that it does, and that it includes LM P1 (including Porsche LM P1 hybrid). The combined Grand-ALM (sans P1) series would probably not want to be hosts of the American round of WEC. So WEC would thus be denied the Rolex 24 and Sebring. That would probably be the final stake through the heart of the WEC if it manages to stagger on that far.

If history is anything to go by, the France empire, although they make liberal use of the words 'international' and 'world' in their statements, will in actual fact have zero interest in anything outside the 48 contiguous American states, except perhaps for Le Mans.

 
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2012, 10:44:16 am »

Cant really see either side budging much on the P1 situation, Le Mans needs fast dynamic cars, Grand-Am needs cheap and big grids.

If the WEC does all fall apart then Le Mans becomes a stand alone race, maybe with a small series of races around the world, which could be what the major players, Audi and Toyota want anyway.

The growth of P2 and GT would be the only possible common ground, but I would suggest a P2 is worlds apart from a Grand Am in concept, but maybe there could be some formula to equalise lap times (that would end up a mess of backbiting and BoP regs)

I hate to the idea of a fudged together formula, so hard to take as it is, maybe its best if each does go its on way in terms of prototype for next few years to allow common ideas to develop over the next 5 or so years.

I see no reason why there should be any differance in worldwide GT regs, other than to trying to put on over each other.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2012, 01:53:24 pm »

trying to get rid of fast quiet  european diesels?dont like hybrid technology?oil company rep on the board?the plot thickens.
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2012, 02:28:05 pm »

You'll get your wish.

The Diesel Pugs are history and the Audi R18 will step aside for the new Porsche petrol powered hybrid proto. Don't forget that the Toyotas are petrol too. The Audis are the last of the oil burners.


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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2012, 05:21:32 pm »

You'll get your wish.

The Diesel Pugs are history and the Audi R18 will step aside for the new Porsche petrol powered hybrid proto. Don't forget that the Toyotas are petrol too. The Audis are the last of the oil burners.


Not so if the upper management at Porsche are to be believed. They have stated several times that Audi will continue to compete at the highest level. They see potential Porsche victories as hollow victories without beating the team that has dominated over the last decade. It also makes commercial sense for Audi to retain a presence- they have sold a huge amount of cars on the back of their Le Mans success. And all that money ends up in Porsche's coffers.

However, wether they continue with a diesel is another matter. They will go for whatever option is most effective within the regulations.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2012, 05:24:23 pm »

at lm the doc said they dont race petrol engines as they have no future in modern cars.his words on radio le mans interview.
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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2012, 06:01:49 pm »

In the words of Mandy Rice-Davies "he would say that wouldn't he?"

Audi races diesel engines for the same reason as Peugeot did. The ACO regs were skewed to favour 'alternative fuels' so factory teams developed hi-tech diesels. The recession killed off Peugeot but Audi soldier-on, even though the diesel advantage has now thinned considerably. Whatever the good Dr U says about it, Audi go to the race track to sell cars, and racing success sells cars. If that means running diesel engines then so be it. You can bet your ass if the ACO pendulum swung the other way, they would have a petrol power in the blink of an eye.

at lm the doc said they dont race petrol engines as they have no future in modern cars.his words on radio le mans interview.
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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2012, 06:12:16 pm »

I'm not completely convinced that the sporting regulations favoured a diesel. The diesel factory cars were quicker because they had more development money. Audi chose diesel as a marketing tool, as did Peugoet; afterall both companies sell more diesels than petrol cars. Audi wanted to sell diesel cars to the Americans, Peugoet, diesels to the East. If they had developed petrol engines, they would have been faster than none factory cars just as they had been for the rest of the decade. I think only our friend Henri believed that diesel as a fuel had an advantage. And we now see how wrong he was. Toyota have developed a petrol engined car that is every bit as quick as a diesel Audi. There has been no radical change in the sporting regs, just sufficient resources to build a competetive petrol powered package.

Audi will continue to champion whatever technology the marketing department want. They could build a winning car even if they wanted to run it on Ribena....and of course Dr U would tell us that it the best option.

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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2012, 06:35:20 pm »

My guess is that te future of LMP1 will depend on how many teams/manufacturers are willing to compete in the category after the new regs in 2014.
Will it only be Audi and Porsche in 2014 or will there be more entries.  Can't image Porsche will build and develop an LMP1 without being sure that they won't be the only ones in the class.

If however we have Porsche, Audi and Toyota, LMP1 might have a future ... but only at LM or WEC. 

Quit with ELMS and Asian Le Mans Series and make the WEC also a championship with 12 races and there might be a good chance of survival in it.  6 or more rounds in Europe shouldn't be a problem I guess ? (Le Mans, Spa, Silverstone, Monza, Le Castellet, Nürburgring (Nordschleife would be awesome, but too dangerous) ...).  Add Road Atlanta, Austin and a few others and you could have a great championship.
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2012, 11:03:50 am »

back to the world endurance championship and imsa then.
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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2012, 06:01:46 pm »

The Delta wing to run at petit le mans and next years alms. Panoz building a run of them. According to motor sport magazine.
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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2012, 09:09:48 am »

For all the good words from France & Panoz, and the 'encouragement' from the ACO (did anyone else read the press release and think it sounded like it was written with clenched teeth?) I think it will end up dumbing down the prototype categories and ultimately morph into a big GT series - which may be exactly what everyone there wants; but with Toyota (with an effectively tiny budget) currently sticking it to Audi it would be a shame to see such prototypes denied the big US race tracks from 2014. I guess time will tell and we may be worrying over nothing ....
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