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Author Topic: Lauda Ring crash & rescue from "Rush"  (Read 12774 times)
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« on: April 11, 2012, 10:32:29 pm »

Paul Zimmerman at TMC posted this from Youtube.  Looks like Ron Howard is going all out for realism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GXHDxmpIF3c
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 08:46:24 am »

Yes, looks like they really want to make it realistic. It brings back memories of that horrible sunday - I was 16 years old and watched that race together with my father, standing at the straights close to the start-finish line. Our local hero Jochen Mass had gambled on tyres (he was the only starter with slicks and he was right) and was leading by a wide margin after 2 laps - but then the race was red flagged and in the beginning I was reallly pissed about this because I would have liked seeing Jochen winning his home GP. It took a while until reports came about what happend, at that time there were no large screens or cameras all over the place like nowadays. Information from the track commentary was piss poor and it was actually only upon our return back home that evening that we learned out of TV news what exactly happened and how critical Niki was injured.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 10:21:03 pm »

F1 was so much better back then, 70's to 80's big horse power crap brakes, iffy handling, and suspect areo dynamics but the best selection of drivers ( not the prima donna bunch we have now ). Hans Stuck, Nelson P, Niki L, Jan L, all truely great drivers not only driving F1, but taking part in Procar the same weekends they drove F1, and what a great idea that was, I used to love it.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 09:25:12 am »

The car they used for filming the on track stuff for Lauda's car is a 1975 312T with teapot airbox. For anyone that went to the Autosport show at the NEC in January, it was the 312T on display next to an M23 (also used in the filming). The company that built the upper bodywork section to make it look like a 1976 312T2 for filming used CAD drawings supplied by me! Saw it close to completion, can't wait to see the film!  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 10:23:01 pm »

The car they used for filming the on track stuff for Lauda's car is a 1975 312T with teapot airbox. For anyone that went to the Autosport show at the NEC in January, it was the 312T on display next to an M23 (also used in the filming). The company that built the upper bodywork section to make it look like a 1976 312T2 for filming used CAD drawings supplied by me! Saw it close to completion, can't wait to see the film!  Grin

They did something similar for 'Le Mans' if I remember rightly. Enzo wouldn't let them use his Ferrari 512's because the plot called for Ferrari to lose to Porsche, so they borrowed some from Ferrari distributor (and former racer) Jacques Swaters instead. The Porsche 917's and Ferrari 512's were considered (rightly, in my humble opinion) to be too valuable to wreck in the crash sequences, so the filmmakers bought Lola T70's and put Ferrari or Porsche bodywork on them and crashed those instead.

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 01:11:20 pm »

The Porsche 917's and Ferrari 512's were considered (rightly, in my humble opinion) to be too valuable to wreck in the crash sequences, so the filmmakers bought Lola T70's and put Ferrari or Porsche bodywork on them and crashed those instead.

Correct, and that is soooo obvious when they slo-mo McQueen's crash into the barriers as he avoids the 911, the sill cover comes off and you can clearly see that the Lola was yellow and the roundel was in a different position. Continuity error big time! Wink ... The car was "radio-controlled" and the throttle jammed on and the rear tyres kept going and exploded when they burnt through. You can see it on the tarmac in the aftermath shots.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 01:14:51 pm »

Found these on fakebook today  Grin


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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 01:18:20 pm »

Continuity error big time! Wink

In all honesty, continuity it the least of the problems on that film!!

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 03:17:55 pm »

Found these on fakebook today  Grin

Followed your 'like' earlier, what got me was how much like James Hunt, Chris Hemsworth looks (Thor from the Marvel films)
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 06:21:00 pm »

Ooops! Just noticed a big error in your pics from the filming Rick.  Niki wore a AGV helmet in 1976, they were very different looking from the Bell Star the actor portraying him is wearing in those photos (see the photos attached from the Cahier archives). Me thinks someone should point this out to Mr Howard. Grin
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 09:49:54 am »

Continuity error big time! Wink

In all honesty,

continuity it the least of the problems on that film!!

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Aw, it's not that bad really. The plot is really flakey and some of the acting is sh*t (always cringe at the bit where they are walking together behind the pits ' getting wet out there' etc. but it does have its merits. As a historical document I quite enjoy it. Some great footage of not only the race, but the circuit itself, and I love the footage of spectators doing then, what we do now, the long night, the crowd, the atmosphere. All filmed in that great 60s/70s colour.
 As a film it does suck, but it does have a certain magic about it. I watch it least once a year and have done since childhood.

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 01:09:36 pm »

Ooops! Just noticed a big error in your pics from the filming Rick.  Niki wore a AGV helmet in 1976, they were very different looking from the Bell Star the actor portraying him is wearing in those photos (see the photos attached from the Cahier archives). Me thinks someone should point this out to Mr Howard. Grin
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Quite right. There is also concern as one scene appears to show a drivers head inside a helmet on the track after a crash.

People have explained about the helmet being wrong. It may have something to does with trademarks etc.
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2012, 06:37:39 pm »

Another inaccuarcy is the presence of OMP racewear logos on the gloves and overalls.  As far as I know none of the drivers of that era were wearing OMP kit (I don't even know if OMP existed at that point).  The drivers usually wearing F1 Racewear, Stand 21, Linea Sport, or Simpson.
OMP has a great history, being a favorite of Senna, but as I said, don't recall Hunt or Lauda ever wearing their gear.  Once again may be about licensing.
I drivers head inside a helmet on the track? Yikes!  That did happen to Helmut Koiinigg at the Glen, but that was in 1974.
Also, notice the missing Marlboro helmet decals and firesuit patches?
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2012, 08:34:24 am »

I think alot of the inaccuracies are 'legal' ones.

But putting those to one side filming is ongoing at Snetterton and has an amazing array of cars to choose from, even if some of them are mock ups.

Sadly the Ferrari ended up in the barrie and has retired hurt, Lucky it always rains in the UK so recreating Fuji is easy!

http://jalopnik.com/5906664/who-crashed-a-34-million-ferrari-on-the-set-of-rush

J Mass was driving the M23 to add realism.

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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2012, 08:44:06 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUSCxxGQuZY

behind the scenes trailer for the film. Due for release next September.

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