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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2003, 12:42:33 pm » |
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The cut down mini was there in 94 or 95, I have a piccy of it drag racing in the Houx campsite, I will try to find it and scan.
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2003, 05:56:33 pm » |
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2003, 06:03:42 pm » |
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But do you get another car for 501 posts??
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2003, 06:06:30 pm » |
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But do you get another car for 501 posts??
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2003, 06:12:15 pm » |
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At Goodwood this year 'Whizzo' Williams stuck a Cooper S on pole, and he was up against some pretty honky Falcons and Galaxies. In the race, the car finished third. Not bad for a little'un.
Mrs H, who's not really into motor racing, but knows her football and is a mad keen Villa fan, got all excited during this race. She'd heard over the tannoy that one of the Ford Falcons was been driven by Ron Atkinson.
I'm not sure the Big Man would have done much for the power to weight ratio, and nothing could be seen of the sheepskin as we watched the cars go by. We were all a bit disappointed to see Mr Bean emerge...
"At he pit exit, there he goes, a quick lollipop, little eyebrows. One-nil."
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2003, 06:25:03 pm » |
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Mini's are fun fast ones better, and will leave most overwhight V8's woundering were they whent, unless the road is very straight and long. Mind you my mates Mini which he sprints and hilclimbs scares Mustangs at Santa Pod.
Unfortunatly I am a little to large for a fast Mini, hight and width!!!! Last one I drove I could not get in out of 3rd as the gear leaver was stuck behind my knee, mind you 3rd was good for very silly speeds.
I know of one other monster mini, I use the word mini loosly. It looks like a mini but has a 2lt motor, spaceframe and carbon fiber body, and 4 wheel steer, and its road legal too, but has a tendancy to try to fly when it gets to speed..........might be at LM next year too.
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2003, 09:22:01 pm » |
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In about 1994, Rover stuck the Mini Cooper in the Monte Carlo Rally, to commemorate the thirteth anniversary of it's first win. Paddy Hopkirk got the old girl up to TENTH OVERALL in the snowy conditions, before the rad blew. And against many more modern cars too.
And to bring this post full circle, the guys who built my monster 1380 lump were the same guys who prepped the abovementioned 1994 car!! Small world and all that!  |
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2003, 10:48:17 pm » |
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Hang on a second, lads - just a cotton pickin' minute there, y'all.
What's all this about Falcons and Galaxies and Rustangs. The original discussion was a comparison between a heavily breathed-on Mini and a Porsche 911, TVR, Corvette and Jaguar. You may note that I left the Jag out of the arguement, because I haven't driven a late model.
Please, lets not be under the misguided impression that a C5 Corvette is anything but up to date in terms of chassis development, traction control, roadholding and power. The differences between the C5 and its predecessor are enormous. This is not some lumbering yank tank. It has electro-magnetically adjustable computer controlled active damping. (The Mini has knicker elastic) It is light, hi-tech and very, very fast. I should also point out that I actually acquired the car in UK and drove it there for a year - often on twisty country roads oop north. The TVR (Tuscan) is ferocious, if a little unrefined and insanely grippy, right to it's limit. The 911 is in a class of it's own. Dave H has a spanking 996 TT and it is the ultimate street weapon. Acceleration is pure madness, the brakes are incredible and it just goes wherever you point it. Tightly curving motorway on-ramps are mind-melting, as the lateral forces build up. I've driven many hopped-up cars and lots and lots of Mini's. I'm English and lived in England for 40 years before moving out here. I've ridden motorcycles both there and here, so I understand power/weight. Minis are not faster than 911's or Corvettes or TVR's (or Ferrari's, Lambos, Saleen S7's Mitsubishi Evo 7's etc. etc.) If they were, we'd all be driving them.
I accept that they are fun, easy to work with and on, cheap and plentiful. They also seem quick, because they transmit feedback, are small and close to the ground.
I'm in no way belittling what sounds like a great project car, but kidding yourself that an antiquated 4 pot sub 1500cc automotive antique will outrun a modern supercar is a load of bollocks - sorry, I can't think of another way to put it.
Yes - being caught in the upper stratosphere of speed in Ohio would probably lead to some unpleasentness with the Highway Patrol and incarceration and loss of virginity. My 160+ dabblings were actually in the vacinity of Le Mans to and from the 2000 (wet) race.
A thought just struck me - I've seen plenty of 911's TVR's and Vettes in top class motor racing, but strangely, no Mini's - wonder why that is? Before anyone says "Ah, what about hillclimbs", I have two words - Pikes Peak - never seen a f**k*n' Mini there either.
Bring it on, Mini lovers, I'm sure we haven't heard the last of this!
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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2003, 06:27:34 am » |
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oh sh*t,
Shouldn't be jumping in here but I saw something regarding a Mini, a 996 Turbo and Pikes Peak. Huh! I'm way too f**ked to go into this in detail but, what the f**k are 996 & Mini doing in the same breath and where does the Peak come into this That's Andretti & Unser land up there, Michelle Mouton left there crying like a f**k*ng baby one year, seems the Yanks mis-treated the Frog-Girlie last time she was here. Sorry Toto but you ain't in Kansas anymore!
The Peak isn't some little shitty gopher hill. They don't call it the race to the clouds for nothing. The Millen Bros. have had to put togther some pretty special kit to take that hill.
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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2003, 09:32:53 am » |
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"A thought just struck me - I've seen plenty of 911's TVR's and Vettes in top class motor racing, but strangely, no Mini's - wonder why that is? Before anyone says "Ah, what about hillclimbs", I have two words - Pikes Peak - never seen a f**ckin' Mini there either.
Bring it on, Mini lovers, I'm sure we haven't heard the last of this!"
Apart from world rallying- the monty- European and British saloon car racing... eh Matt. Mind you I thorght that Pikes peak would be intresting in a mini. (Did you vere see that maaaad SAAB they did there?)
In its hay-day a sorted Mini could scare the pants of any car, MK11 Jags, Lotus Cortinas, Falcons, (not Porkers as they were Sportscars not Saloons) as you can see at any historic meet, see Goodwood.
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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2003, 10:37:49 am » |
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You could always try a sorted Mini out on Pikes Peak playing Gran Turismo!!!! |
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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2003, 11:26:13 am » |
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I can't say I've ever really had the 'Mini bug', apart from the one I'm wearing that is. The way it just rides up when I bend over at the waste paper basket is certainly bringing on some bovine perspiration in my upper lip area.
There's no way way, to paraphrase fax, that a mini should be mentioned in the same performance breath as a 996, but 'kinnell! there's a 40 odd year disparity in age, along with all the engineering and materials technology that goes with it. In it's day though, I would imagine a tuned mini with an able driver would hold it's head high with most cars on a public road in the UK.
If we're talking road racing today though, then I reckon it all boils down to the drivers bottle. Sure, (as this is about motor racing, should I say 'for sure'?) there's power and weight and all that other stuff, but round these parts it's unlikely that most people will get anywhere near the chassis limits of a modern sports car. And as every driver has a different bottle, then there's no real answer to this one. Having said that, if I was sitting at the lights in a mini, and a C5 vette drew up alongside, then I would have to be a right c*nt to gun it off the line.
There's a lot of very wealthy geezers round this part of the world, and not a day goes by without me seeing some sort of high performance car (saw a Spyker the other day!), but it does make me cry in my beer when I see the way they're been driven. I'll bet the lavatory seat never stands up in their houses...
Great post Matt!
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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2003, 01:26:06 pm » |
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What's all this about Falcons and Galaxies and Rustangs. The original discussion was a comparison between a heavily breathed-on Mini and a Porsche 911, TVR, Corvette and Jaguar.
Before anyone says "Ah, what about hillclimbs", I have two words - Pikes Peak - never seen a f**ckin' Mini there either.
Bring it on, Mini lovers, I'm sure we haven't heard the last of this!
Matt
Matt Point 1, you are right. A Mini, in any impirical test, will not hold a candle to the above C5, Lambo etc. But a few weeks ago, I had a dice against a hot Mini. I drive an Impreza Turbo and though I am no McRae, I don't hang about. It was only when we got to a dual carriage way was I able to shake the little bugger off! I had to laugh! Point 2. The Americans were made to look SOOO stoopid when Audi and Mouton first went to Pikes Peak in about 85. When they came back to defend, the yanks had realised the 4x4 was the way to go. Some of them had sought to modify their Peaks racers with chain driven 4x4 systems. It was a miracle that no driver was beheaded by the failing chains as they flew off their sprockets. Now these were not just back yard teams but ones with major sponsorship deals from the likes of Budweezer etc. Truly, truly laughable! Quite why they didn't like Michele Mouton one can only speculate. And when Peugeot and Mazda whipped their red necks for the following few years, well... You're quite right tho. There were no Minis. |
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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2003, 01:59:12 pm » |
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Your right. she didn hand them their butts on a platter. Actually I always quite liked like Michelle, she's a hell of a racer and she and Fabrizia always made a great pairing. Why didn't they like her? One word...French! Those guys are mostly a bunch a good-old-boys and they didn't like a French girl taking their mountain for a second! I though it was pretty cool though. Funny how they never had a problem with Rod Millen and his rice burner.
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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2003, 02:06:35 pm » |
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Right bugger the lot of this. Change of plan . Mini with cut down 4x4 system , 3.2 V6 ....... British Pride..... Well it wont happen , coz it will cost a fortune , but would have been a fun race . I drive a Focus Diesel (1.8tdci - 90 bhp ) at work and can wooop anycar i race with , its aboutobservation , 4 wheel drift , tyres at the max , and the foot flat down . Power does have something in this , but driver skill and usually ignorance to keep going and take a few well thought out risks wins . I have seen people try and drive/ ride really exotic cars and bikes and they are terrible. It will always come down to the driver. Mini reacing - did anyone ever see Jeremy Clarksons video about new v's old mini , the old Cooper s blew its engine after 400 metres , so may have to eat a little humble pie on that one . Matt - If not i have a 106bhp motor that would love to give you a race, i would destroy your Vette C5 !  |
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