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Title: Weather for the week
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on June 02, 2009, 09:53:05 am
Have a look at this..... sticky!! ;D

http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast3.asp?partner=netweather&traveler=0&locCode=EUR|FR|FR018|LE%20MANS&metric=1


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lazy B'stard on June 02, 2009, 09:55:22 am
Thats blown in. Better pack the ponchos again :-\


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Douglas on June 02, 2009, 10:16:06 am
Piddle!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Paddy_NL on June 02, 2009, 10:18:47 am
Wet race - AGAIN?! Who ordered that?? >:(


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: smokie on June 02, 2009, 10:21:47 am
Looks like it will be raining in Chicago when I land too. I wasn't expecting that!! :o


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Doris on June 02, 2009, 10:29:16 am
Rex, are you hoping perchance that this forecast is as accurate as the forecast they gave for our weekend at The Ring?

Dx


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on June 02, 2009, 10:30:52 am
I'd forgotten about that.... it couldn't have been more wrong! Fingers Crossed ;D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Simon13 on June 02, 2009, 11:38:38 am
I checked this yesterday and they predicted glorious sunshine and 25c+.  Me thinks they haven't got a clue!!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Fran on June 02, 2009, 12:05:11 pm
A friend just came back from a week near Tours.... it rained and blew every day!! 

Should mean it will improve again now.... cant last can it?!

F


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Radar on June 02, 2009, 12:43:15 pm
Ah - you know the annual pilgrimage is just around the corner when people start looking at the weather forecasts. I'm going prepared - supersoaker and giant umbrella. Plus beer - cooling in warm weather and warming when it pisses down.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: nickliv on June 02, 2009, 01:14:09 pm
Will a poor weather forecast really stop anyone going?


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on June 02, 2009, 01:18:55 pm
Will a poor weather forecast really stop anyone going?
NO!!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Black Granny on June 02, 2009, 01:21:44 pm
Will a poor weather forecast really stop anyone going?
NO!!

Just helps to know for the packing!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: nickliv on June 02, 2009, 01:22:36 pm
So take some suncream (So you can write profanities on the dormant), some shorts, and a waterproof, and have a whale of a time.


You're all bastards who deserve to get rained on anyway.  ;)


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: lynxd67 on June 02, 2009, 01:23:41 pm
I prefer to believe this one:-

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/FRXX0048?from=36hr_topnav_business

As regards the post about it raining and blowing here at Le Mans, it's now 8 days since we had a drop of rain and today it is 27C and damned hot!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Fran on June 02, 2009, 01:26:44 pm
As regards the post about it raining and blowing here at Le Mans

Actually I said they were near Tours (but more accurately THEY said they were near Tours - they could have been lost tho)!   :P


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on June 02, 2009, 01:29:31 pm
I prefer to believe this one:-

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/FRXX0048?from=36hr_topnav_business

As regards the post about it raining and blowing here at Le Mans, it's now 8 days since we had a drop of rain and today it is 27C and damned hot!
That looks better ;D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lawnmower Man on June 02, 2009, 03:12:39 pm
Will a poor weather forecast really stop anyone going?
NO!!

Just helps to know for the packing!

So If the forecast was for good weather would you leave all the wet weather gear behind?
My advice take the lot!!!!

It's better to take it and not need it.  than to not take it and need it.

Just my 2d.

t.



Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Kiters on June 02, 2009, 05:54:34 pm
mmm looks like a wet one this site is normally accurate
http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/europe_forecast_14days.asp?locationID=1758

Still they could be wrong best go prepared though



Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: mike(liverpool boys) on June 02, 2009, 06:44:44 pm
Yeah,the work waterproofs will be getting packed  >:(


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lord Steve on June 02, 2009, 09:14:56 pm
If it rains take your clothes off then they don't get wet. If the sun shines take your clothes off and get a tan.
Simples!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: DamianV8 on June 02, 2009, 10:19:15 pm
hmmm, could get wet!!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: mgmark on June 03, 2009, 12:56:59 am
Have a look here...normally bloody accurate once you get to about Monday or Tuesday next week, with good prediction of rainfall from the "Precipitation Rate Forecast 12-144 hours" in the drop down menu

http://euro.wx.propilots.net/ (http://euro.wx.propilots.net/)

MG Mark


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Nordic on June 03, 2009, 08:33:37 am
mmm looks like a wet one this site is normally accurate
http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/europe_forecast_14days.asp?locationID=1758

Still they could be wrong best go prepared though



It seems to have changed, its a scorcher now!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: geoffd on June 03, 2009, 08:59:11 am
It'll change again tomorrow!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on June 03, 2009, 10:14:20 am
They are all saying different things.... just have to wait and see!!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Bob U on June 03, 2009, 10:25:03 am
Sod the weather. will it stop any of us going and enjoying ourselves? I doubt it very much


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on June 03, 2009, 11:25:20 am
Sod the weather. will it stop any of us going and enjoying ourselves? I doubt it very much
Its never stopped us before... its just nicer if it hot ;D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: smokie on June 03, 2009, 12:19:30 pm
Yeah, we had weather every time I've been there, as far as I recall...  ;D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Andy Zarse on June 03, 2009, 12:47:06 pm
These weather folk no jack sh*t. Like the old story about the Australian Weather Bureau...

It was April and the Aboriginies in a remote part of Northern Australia asked their new elder if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild.

Since he was an elder in a modern community he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like. Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the tribe should collect firewood to be prepared.

But being a practical leader, after several days he had an idea.

He walked out to the telephone booth on the highway, called the Bureau of Meteorology and asked, 'Is the coming winter in this area going to be cold?'

The meteorologist responded, 'It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold.'

So the elder went back to his people and told them to collect even more wood in order to be prepared.

A week later he called the Bureau of Meteorology again. 'Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter?'

The meteorologist again replied, 'Yes, it's going to be a very cold winter.'

The elder again went back to his community and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find.

Two weeks later the elder called the Bureau again. 'Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?' he asked.

'Absolutely,' the man replied. 'It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever.'

'How can you be so sure?' the elder asked..

The weatherman replied, 'Our satellites have reported that the Abos in the north are collecting firewood like crazy, and that's always a sure sign.'



Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Fran on June 03, 2009, 12:53:33 pm
Yeah, we had weather every time I've been there, as far as I recall...  ;D

Well up until the Saturday at least........  ;D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Perdu on June 03, 2009, 04:23:19 pm
oooh sharp!




whether we have weather or whether we don't we'm gooin' 'int we

no worries
 :)


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lazy B'stard on June 03, 2009, 04:31:03 pm
Even if it pisses it down its not exactly cold is it, if you get a good soaking it saves wasting valuable drinking time in the showers (I used to take two bottles into the shower, now I don't...).

Fair or fowl, I'm sure we will all make the most of it ;)

Si


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: garyfrogeye on June 03, 2009, 06:14:51 pm
it is so much more enjoyable though if it is dry.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Martini...LB on June 03, 2009, 06:19:55 pm
Even if it pisses it down its not exactly cold is it, if you get a good soaking it saves wasting valuable drinking time in the showers (I used to take two bottles into the shower, now I don't...).

Fair or fowl, I'm sure we will all make the most of it ;)

Si

I didn't think you were going this year!??  ???

I have got a new flag, look left for a clue.

>Martini...LB


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lazy B'stard on June 04, 2009, 09:39:07 am
Even if it pisses it down its not exactly cold is it, if you get a good soaking it saves wasting valuable drinking time in the showers (I used to take two bottles into the shower, now I don't...).

Fair or fowl, I'm sure we will all make the most of it ;)

Si

I didn't think you were going this year!??  ???

I have got a new flag, look left for a clue.

>Martini...LB

I've just got a new flag pole off eBay too. What a happy marriage it will be.

I'm being wound up by everyone now, I'm just going to tell her tonight that I'm going and she can be greatful when I come back. Bloody woman, I do everything I'm told and this worm is turning!! If she doesn't like it she knows where the sodding door is

Grrrrrrrrrr >:D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: garyfrogeye on June 04, 2009, 09:43:12 am
"If she doesn't like it she knows where the sodding door is"

Is that so that she can get the locks changed while you're away? ;D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lazy B'stard on June 04, 2009, 10:00:35 am
"If she doesn't like it she knows where the sodding door is"

Is that so that she can get the locks changed while you're away? ;D

They are getting changed today as the builder has lost 2 sets and we are down to one key between us now. Only I have the zapper for the garage door so her evil plan will be thwarted.

Back to the weather.... the weather report on my I-phone is showing heavy rain in LM for Sun, Mon, Tues. Its been pretty accurate to date. :(


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Kiters on June 04, 2009, 11:19:38 am
Looking better Sunday looks good

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/europe_forecast_14days.asp?locationID=1758

 ;)


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: termietermite on June 04, 2009, 11:58:10 am
Oh, yeah, I really like that one Kiters...  Rain today? - well, not right now there isn't as it's really warm and sunny.  I'll let you know if it turns up later as predicted!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: nopanic - neil on June 04, 2009, 12:17:58 pm
Easy way to work out for the Le Mans weekend - ask on the 15th,   8)


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Martini...LB on June 04, 2009, 06:44:33 pm
Even if it pisses it down its not exactly cold is it, if you get a good soaking it saves wasting valuable drinking time in the showers (I used to take two bottles into the shower, now I don't...).

Fair or fowl, I'm sure we will all make the most of it ;)

Si

I didn't think you were going this year!??  ???

I have got a new flag, look left for a clue.

>Martini...LB

I've just got a new flag pole off eBay too. What a happy marriage it will be.

I'm being wound up by everyone now, I'm just going to tell her tonight that I'm going and she can be greatful when I come back. Bloody woman, I do everything I'm told and this worm is turning!! If she doesn't like it she knows where the sodding door is

Grrrrrrrrrr >:D


Deja Vu, did you say that last year?  ;D

Sorry mate can't help it. Will one of your mates bring the flagpole? There I go again, what am I like...

>Martini...LB  (LB now stands for Lonely B'stard cos my mate Si isn't aloud out to play)



Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: termietermite on June 05, 2009, 10:15:43 am
I'm glad to see that Metcheck finally looked out of the window and noticed that big yellow thing in the sky. :)  Weather still stunning at the mo'.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lorry on June 05, 2009, 01:32:45 pm
I'm glad to see that Metcheck finally looked out of the window and noticed that big yellow thing in the sky. :)  Weather still stunning at the mo'.
But they think the sun's going home in a couple of days.  They didn't yesterday


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: knetter on June 05, 2009, 01:55:53 pm
http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/europe_forecast_7days.asp?locationID=1758 (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/europe_forecast_7days.asp?locationID=1758)

Looks chilly, can't be accurate me thinks??


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Plenty sideways... on June 05, 2009, 02:04:11 pm
[quote author=Dr Sconefinger..LB

I'm being wound up by everyone now, I'm just going to tell her tonight that I'm going and she can be greatful when I come back. Bloody woman, I do everything I'm told and this worm is turning!! If she doesn't like it she knows where the sodding door is

[/quote]

I've not heard a peep off DrS today, I saw a load of paving slabs and lime being delivered at his house though ;D

I hope my car was out of harms way when he told her !!!!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Robspot on June 05, 2009, 02:58:07 pm
He's probably still up in his room where he was sent without any tea last night  ;D

Yeah, like I can talk  ::)


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: garyfrogeye on June 05, 2009, 06:16:58 pm
I've decided that this is the weather forcast which I am going to use.
http://weather.msn.com/tenday.aspx?wealocations=wc:FRXX0048&q=Le+Mans%2c+FRA+forecast:tenday


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: redstu on June 05, 2009, 08:48:07 pm
I've decided that this is the weather forcast which I am going to use.
http://weather.msn.com/tenday.aspx?wealocations=wc:FRXX0048&q=Le+Mans%2c+FRA+forecast:tenday

I'll go with that ( at least until it changes)!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Kristof on June 06, 2009, 12:15:41 am
This is the one I use when we plan our trips to the Nordschleife, most of the times it's quite accurate. 

http://www.zoover.com/france/pays-de-la-loire/le-mans-sarthe/weather


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: termietermite on June 06, 2009, 12:53:47 pm
Although it's a lot better now than it looked first thing, that North Easterly breeze is certainly keeping the temperatures down.  Nights could be cold if this keeps up so bring some woolies with you just in case.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: JPS Beemer on June 07, 2009, 12:13:23 am
come on come on come on - hoping the money spent on grandstand seats is going to be justified  ;D

http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Le-Mans-FRXX0048 (http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Le-Mans-FRXX0048)

http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast2.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&locCode=EUR|FR|FR018|LE%20MANS&metric=1 (http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast2.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&locCode=EUR|FR|FR018|LE%20MANS&metric=1)

Although not much we can do about it anyway - it'll be enjoyed as always and I'll be thankful we can make it this year with all the turmoil.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: redstu on June 07, 2009, 12:20:07 am
Although it's a lot better now than it looked first thing, that North Easterly breeze is certainly keeping the temperatures down.  Nights could be cold if this keeps up so bring some woolies with you just in case.

Cold nights , perfect for chilling the beer!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Leftie on June 07, 2009, 12:44:04 am
Judging by the forecasts, the weather is going to be crap untill Wednesday.

I hate setting up a tent in rain.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lorry on June 07, 2009, 01:24:27 am
Yes - rain till they wheel the cars out

And the answer to the wet tent problem - caravan


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Barry on June 07, 2009, 10:00:59 am
Metro France are forecasting rain on Wednesday :(

But it's rained at some point on Wednesday every year for the last 7, except last year.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Kristof on June 07, 2009, 10:52:33 am
Metro France are forecasting rain on Wednesday :(

But it's rained at some point on Wednesday every year for the last 7, except last year.

I could live with a bit of rain on Wednesday (but not the whole evening), should be nice to take some great pictures  ;D.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Martini...LB on June 07, 2009, 12:11:43 pm
Hope it is not too wet as I will arrive at approx 11.30pm and do not want to set up the tent in the wet.

Has anybody heard from Dr Sconefinger?

>Martini...LB


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Barry on June 07, 2009, 12:45:53 pm
If it's wet on wednesday evening, then the lack of a test weekend will really bite.
Especially if it's a dry race, which is at the moment forecast.
Could make the qualifing and race even move intresting :)


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Barry on June 07, 2009, 12:55:25 pm
Metro France are forecasting rain on Wednesday :(



Well they were at 9am this morning, changed their minds 3 hours later, and say it will be dry.
I'm going to stop looking at bl**dy forecasts and just pack gear for sahara heat and Manchester wet. ;)


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Plenty sideways... on June 07, 2009, 01:14:06 pm

Has anybody heard from Dr Sconefinger?

>Martini...LB

Not since Friday, could be a good sign - could be VERY bad ! ;D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Barry on June 07, 2009, 03:41:51 pm

Has anybody heard from Dr Sconefinger?

>Martini...LB

Not since Friday, could be a good sign - could be VERY bad ! ;D

Prehaps he has had to resort to digging an escape tunnel.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: lynxd67 on June 07, 2009, 09:08:40 pm
On the subject of the weather though, today we have had pigeon sized hail, storms, and a bucket load of rain. Same during the night, so hard it woke me up. Rain forecast locally until Wednesday afternoon. Most camping sites are fine since they are sandy, but those on Beauséjour, well, I would be careful about taking your car on the grass!


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lazy B'stard on June 07, 2009, 10:14:17 pm

Has anybody heard from Dr Sconefinger?

>Martini...LB

Not since Friday, could be a good sign - could be VERY bad ! ;D

I've been busy guys, bit of shopping, few new Tshirts, sun cream, sun hat, sun glasses etc...........






.......well it's gonna be much sunnier in Le Sarthe next week that in Morpeth innit!


I'm just going to go, tell her on Thursday afternoon to save a week of grief. Will bring the warm sunny weather with me.


Si


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Andy Zarse on June 07, 2009, 10:54:50 pm

Has anybody heard from Dr Sconefinger?

>Martini...LB

Not since Friday, could be a good sign - could be VERY bad ! ;D

I've been busy guys, bit of shopping, few new Tshirts, sun cream, sun hat, sun glasses etc...........






.......well it's gonna be much sunnier in Le Sarthe next week that in Morpeth innit!


I'm just going to go, tell her on Thursday afternoon to save a week of grief. Will bring the warm sunny weather with me.


Si

You're not coming are you Si?  :(


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Martini...LB on June 08, 2009, 12:26:59 am

Has anybody heard from Dr Sconefinger?

>Martini...LB

Not since Friday, could be a good sign - could be VERY bad ! ;D

I've been busy guys, bit of shopping, few new Tshirts, sun cream, sun hat, sun glasses etc...........






.......well it's gonna be much sunnier in Le Sarthe next week that in Morpeth innit!


I'm just going to go, tell her on Thursday afternoon to save a week of grief. Will bring the warm sunny weather with me.


Si

Si, come on you were going to tell her on friday and then we did not hear from you for almost three days! the truth is you told her and she hit you and you have only just got the feeling back in your body to be able to log on... Tell me you are coming buddy, sorry cannot accept the last post, I want to have some real conviction from you, and I do not mean wife murderer!

Have you told your mates where the keys to the van are?

Ladies do not read the next bit... (I have enough chasing me now! honestly)

In all honesty I know exactly where you are coming from, no not Morpeth, pay attention, I also live with a very charming wife who will basically let me do what I want, except when she thinks I am having a bit of a laugh, or I think that she thinks I am, THEN it is very hard to broach the subject of popping off to LM or buying a new Audi especially when she has just been made redundant (last week), I am, it may surprise you, a bit of a softy when it comes to women, it's my female side, but it is much easier to go with the flow than push against it even after nearly 30 years of marriage, (I married at 10 years old).

Hope you can make it buddy, I am on the way now to check the first aid kit and make sure it is full.

>Martini...LB


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lazy B'stard on June 08, 2009, 12:30:55 am
Unlike the poor old Commer, who will be left waist deep in grass, wondering why it's master had not called upon her to carry forth the troops into battle, I WILL be heading south to Le Sathe this week!! Some things are just too important Andy. I will walk on broken legs to be there should I have to. Now stop wasting time on here and get that wonderful green vehicle readied for the ferry at once. No more excuses Zarse- you have a duty god damn you!

Si


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Leftie on June 08, 2009, 12:32:12 am
On the subject of the weather though, today we have had pigeon sized hail, storms, and a bucket load of rain. Same during the night, so hard it woke me up. Rain forecast locally until Wednesday afternoon. Most camping sites are fine since they are sandy, but those on Beauséjour, well, I would be careful about taking your car on the grass!

Based on last year Lynx, I'll agree with you.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Martini...LB on June 08, 2009, 12:37:10 am
Unlike the poor old Commer, who will be left waist deep in grass, wondering why it's master had not called upon her to carry forth the troops into battle, I WILL be heading south to Le Sathe this week!! Some things are just too important Andy. I will walk on broken legs to be there should I have to. Now stop wasting time on here and get that wonderful green vehicle readied for the ferry at once. No more excuses Zarse- you have a duty god damn you!

Si

Well that is good news then, I will bring a sharp knife to whittle down those crutches a bit and reduce the weight  ;D

It will be good to see you buddy, sorry about the wind-ups.

>Martini...LB


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lazy B'stard on June 08, 2009, 12:40:34 am

Has anybody heard from Dr Sconefinger?

>Martini...LB

Not since Friday, could be a good sign - could be VERY bad ! ;D

Seriously, I've been off line since Thursday when I got some lovely virus that ate my hard drive and everything on it. Nothing serious as all the important stuff is backed up elsewhere. Should be back to normal in the morning with new machine. Tonight I remembered I can use my phone to get on here and see what you've been up to.

Having trouble opening the links for the weather forecasts though- whats the latest for Fri-Sun???

Si


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Martini...LB on June 08, 2009, 12:58:28 am
Si, Every weather channel is different, take clothes for all weather except snow, I think!

>Martini...LB


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Simon13 on June 08, 2009, 10:11:03 am
How can all these weather sites get such a range of forecasts?  Surely they all use the same source data?

Wet, dry, mildly moist.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Lawnmower Man on June 08, 2009, 10:26:42 am
They all use the same source data but different models.  Djet is the man to give you more details.

t.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Simon13 on June 08, 2009, 12:13:04 pm
Woah! Not that concerned - just a thought :D


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Kristof on June 08, 2009, 01:20:23 pm
It's been raining here at Le Mans since we arrived (8am), now it finally begins to dry up.  Hopefully we had enough rain now for the whole week.


Title: Re: Weather for the week
Post by: Dave H on June 08, 2009, 01:28:51 pm
I'm 70 km South of Le Mans and the forecast looks to be on-off through Thursday.  It's a bit cold (high 50s F) but the weekend's looking tits (80s F and sunny). We just need this system to keep moving and not stall out through the weekend.

For those who camp at the circuit for the week before the race, you're off you're trees.