Club Arnage

Club Arnage => General Discussion => Topic started by: Doris on May 12, 2009, 05:20:53 pm



Title: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Doris on May 12, 2009, 05:20:53 pm
It would seem Ferrari are throwing their toys out of the pram again ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8044860.stm

Dx


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Bentley boy on May 12, 2009, 05:24:11 pm
Love this quote

However, Ferrari's president Luca di Montezemolo, head of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), has warned it would create a two-tier championship that could be "fundamentally unfair and perhaps even biased".

As if that would ever happen in F1  ;D



Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Jules G on May 12, 2009, 06:06:12 pm
As Luca di Montezemolo is starting the 24hr race maybe it could mean a switch to LMS, ALMS or the new Asian LMS if they do throw the teddy out of the pram ???


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: mike(liverpool boys) on May 12, 2009, 10:12:23 pm
Sounds like someone doesn't like being off the podium  ::)


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: nopanic - neil on May 12, 2009, 10:28:08 pm
So if Ferrari did spit their dummy out and chucked all their toys out of the pram !

And they did do Le Mans, would that be good or bad?


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Ade on May 12, 2009, 10:34:31 pm
Not only Ferrari, but Toyota as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8042267.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8042267.stm)

A couple of quotes:
"Howett said Toyota, who also provide Williams with engines, would like to remain in Formula 1 but had alternatives."
"And there are other categories that we could consider where we may be able to operate in a completely different manner."

Ade


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Lorry on May 12, 2009, 10:38:40 pm
So if Ferrari did spit their dummy out and chucked all their toys out of the pram !

And they did do Le Mans, would that be good or bad?
I'd like to see them back at Le Mans, but not with an F1 budget, like Audi.

Toyota and Red Bull have threatened to walk too.  I think the FI teams have to register for 2010 by May 27, so this should get entertaining over the next couple of weeks.

Lets all send them some toys, so they've got plenty to throw, and some might hit Max


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Andy Zarse on May 12, 2009, 11:03:52 pm
So if Ferrari did spit their dummy out and chucked all their toys out of the pram !

And they did do Le Mans, would that be good or bad?

They won't being doing that whilst the rules are tilted towards those horrid oilburners. I'd love to see a red screamer win though.


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on May 12, 2009, 11:26:48 pm
So if Ferrari did spit their dummy out and chucked all their toys out of the pram !

And they did do Le Mans, would that be good or bad?

They won't being doing that whilst the rules are tilted towards those horrid oilburners. I'd love to see a red screamer win though.
I'll second that.... but hopefully its a powder blue and orange howler doing the business this June... oh my fingers are so very crossed for another Sunday like the one after VAG let Bentley win.
PP


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Bentley boy on May 12, 2009, 11:28:59 pm
Quote
Lets all send them some toys, so they've got plenty to throw, and some might hit Max

If the teams have any spare I'd love to throw a bag of spanners at Bernie with a ten ton weight attached  :)

Personally I think Ferrari at Le Mans would be a bad thing. being even more popular & prices go through the roof ala F1 & they can't take that away from us can they :o


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: nopanic - neil on May 12, 2009, 11:53:10 pm
So if Ferrari did spit their dummy out and chucked all their toys out of the pram !

And they did do Le Mans, would that be good or bad?

They won't being doing that whilst the rules are tilted towards those horrid oilburners. I'd love to see a red screamer win though.

OK - here we go - what would happen if Ferrari made a diesel?

and raced it! - Well ????


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Jules G on May 13, 2009, 09:49:05 am
A little snippet taken off the autosport web site

"In light of the developments regarding next year's entry, Ferrari said its president Luca di Montezemolo had been told to look at alternative activities for the racing team"

I think he will gobsmacked as he drops the flag for the start of the race.


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Nordic on May 13, 2009, 10:31:20 am
If Ferrari so much as hint at an LMP car instead of F1 next year, then I bet the rules will be changed to screw it up, the tracks that run LMS races will have chicanes added willy nilly and have other series suddenly moved to other venue, TV companies that broadcast them will suddenly have to pay a whole lot more, not just for LMS, but anything else they show that the FIA control.

While I would love the idea of an LMP ferrari (and Toyota and BMW etc), I fear the price would be very high if it comes at the expense of F1.

I will eat my house brick by brick if we don't see a ferrari on the F1 grid next year.

btw, I do expect a toyota and BMW to produce a LMP within the next 4 years, but the rulemakers need to get there act together so that one car is competitive both in Europe, Asia and the US.


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Andy Zarse on May 13, 2009, 11:59:26 am
So if Ferrari did spit their dummy out and chucked all their toys out of the pram !

And they did do Le Mans, would that be good or bad?

They won't being doing that whilst the rules are tilted towards those horrid oilburners. I'd love to see a red screamer win though.

OK - here we go - what would happen if Ferrari made a diesel?

and raced it! - Well ????

...and then we all woke up...  ;)

Neil, never in a month of sundays will Ferrari do that!

I personally cannot understand the ACO's fixation with burning filthy oil, particulate capture or not, technologically it is not the way ahead or the fuel of the future. Maybe a switch to KERS would make for better racing? Anything but compression ignition, it's a blind alley.


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Andy Zarse on May 13, 2009, 12:01:14 pm

I will eat my house brick by brick if we don't see a ferrari on the F1 grid next year.


Quoted for posterity. Just in case, like.  ;)


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Nordic on May 13, 2009, 12:34:32 pm
So if Ferrari did spit their dummy out and chucked all their toys out of the pram !

And they did do Le Mans, would that be good or bad?

They won't being doing that whilst the rules are tilted towards those horrid oilburners. I'd love to see a red screamer win though.

OK - here we go - what would happen if Ferrari made a diesel?

and raced it! - Well ????

...and then we all woke up...  ;)

Neil, never in a month of sundays will Ferrari do that!

I personally cannot understand the ACO's fixation with burning filthy oil, particulate capture or not, technologically it is not the way ahead or the fuel of the future. Maybe a switch to KERS would make for better racing? Anything but compression ignition, it's a blind alley.

When KERs or any other type of emerging fuel needs an image change, then I guess the the car makers will push for rules written to favor them.

Oil burner technology has advanced hugely over the last 10 years, I never thought I would have one as I now do, but weather its be due to racing improving the breed or not, it can't be denied they are a viable alternative now in most situations.

I doubt Ferrari will be building one anytime soon, but I expect the other supercar makers to do so at some point.


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Jules G on May 13, 2009, 04:32:39 pm
and now Renault have chucked all their toys out of the pram ::)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8048112.stm


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Ade on May 14, 2009, 11:24:59 am
Ferrari say this is no bluff.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8049316.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8049316.stm)

(Board member Piero Ferrari) revealed that Ferrari could race in another category if Mosley did not back down.

"Why not?" he said. "I strongly believe that if you look at the past of Ferrari, today's image is born from victories in the 24 Hours of Le Mans and sports and GT racing. Racing is in the DNA of Ferrari."

Ade


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: Fran on May 14, 2009, 11:27:51 am
Ferrari say this is no bluff.

It wouldnt be a very good bluff if they said it WAS a bluff tho would it?!   ;D

F


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: nopanic - neil on May 14, 2009, 11:34:26 am
Ferrari say this is no bluff.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8049316.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8049316.stm)

(Board member Piero Ferrari) revealed that Ferrari could race in another category if Mosley did not back down.

"Why not?" he said. "I strongly believe that if you look at the past of Ferrari, today's image is born from victories in the 24 Hours of Le Mans and sports and GT racing. Racing is in the DNA of Ferrari."

Ade


Read the bbc news bit

Mentioned about
Quote
" There is also the possibility that he has broken an agreement defining Ferrari's rights signed in 2005. "
what was that, anyone know?

Also said 
Quote
The teams are due to meet Mosley in London on Friday to discuss the issue.


So is that handbags at dawn in London, or do they have to use something stronger with Max?......... May be not, he might like it  ::)


Title: Re: Oh Dear - Handbags at Dawn
Post by: smokie on May 15, 2009, 12:34:09 am
I expect Max will soon have them whipped into line...  ::)