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This thread is for the design of the 2009 t-shirts only.  Do not place any orders on here.

It is a given that the front will remain the same (apart from updating the year of course) - it has become vitually our 'Trademark'.

Anyone any ideas for the pic on the back??

It has been suggested that the Aston is the subject, to celebrate 50 years since they won the race.

So all you people with an artistic bent, have a think - it doesn't necessarily have to be an Aston.

In the meantime, could Martini/Paddy (or whoever) re-do the front  - I'm unable to do this myself as I lost my (pirate) copy of Photoshop.

I agree with the Aston, but initially thought about a 'blower' Bentley

Just an idea, instead of a car we could put a trackmap on the back. I've attached an example, not good quality but an idea how it could look like

Should read Le Mans '09 of course ;D

How about both. The track with an aston in the middle as if its kind of bursting out of the t-shirt.

Sounds like a top idea, I like it !!

Mike, brilliant idea, i'll go for that.

the map of track with a aston sounds fantastic

I agree with the track and bursting Aston. Fab idea ;D

Would people prefer the current Aston - if so which one - GT1 or LMP1


or a DB1  (with thanks to Steve from 12 months ago!!)


(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/Aston50.jpg)

This, or any other pic, would need to be Photoshopped as there are far too many colours in it.  The quote I currently have is fo a pic with 3 colours only. 

Del

Personaly i would love to see last years gulf GT1 and it might be easier to get more of the colours in but maybe the DB1 is more in keeping with the whole idea of having an aston on in the first place.

Mike

If it'S the GT1, I'd prefer the green one. But the DB1 looks like a charm.

Out of loyalty to my avatar and the CBW I feel I must mention Morgan's 100th birthday. :)  But probably a bit esoteric for most people on here.

I think the track map has copyright issues doesn't it?

I'd prefer a  historic LM racecar - the DB1 would be fine. But then the track map should also be adjusted to hat era, e.g. no chicanes on the Hunnaudieres straights and no Dunlop Chicane...

Apologies for being a nitpicker, but the annotation at the Dunlop bridge should say "courbe" not "course" - it's French for curve.

If we can use it, I think the map would be terrific.

...and no virages Ford or Porsche, and, and, and so on. Backdating gets quite complicated, I think. If we show the date as 2009, then the current map is justified, whichever car we may choose.

I can't forsee a problem with using the circuit outline. N138 used it on a shirt a few years ago without,as far as I know, any hassle. Most of it is a public road and as such dosen't belong to the ACO. But I stand to be corrected.

BTW, I like the idea of an Aston bursting through the circuit, modern or retro.

You may (or may not) recall my mate Andy 2 Cobras runs a small company that builds a Aston DBR1 / 2 'recreation'.  He took the current demonstrator to the classic last year.

His web site is - http://www.asmotorsport.co.uk/ (http://www.asmotorsport.co.uk/)

There's plenty of images on his web site that could be used or I have some I shot at the Classic last year if you want to go with a DBR1 50 years theme.

Here's one that could be further photoshoped to make it easier to reproduce -

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/3292706450_d5540f0275_b.jpg)

Or from the website -

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3646/3292205671_4720d56fab_o.jpg)

Backdating the track layout is no problem - there's an overview of all major layouts in the CA-Guide 2008 on page 13 ;D

As to the legal aspect: I think there is no problem as long as we do not copy someone's work. (Re)drawing the track layout by ourselves should be OK.

Just seen that there is a track map in wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circuit_de_la_sarthe_rev12_enlabels.svg

The author has released it into the public domain, so we can use it as a template.

To a Morgan do you mean?  As they won their class in '62 then they surely qualify in that regard.

Not that this bothers me much.  Aston or Moggie not fussed about either.  I'll be buying a t-shirt no matter which car is on it. :)

Just to complicate things, how about TWO cars 'bursting out' of the track design? Kind of overlapped (and in the same direction), the old and the new Aston to celebrate the 50 years?

Sounds like a winner to me. DBR9 passing a DBR1? Both in the racing green colours?

Of course the Morgan qualifies - but another wild thought just crossed my mind: Why not take the legendary COMMER?

At least all CA-ers would have some story to tell if approached - and hell - it's probably the longest thread on a single, individual vehicle in the history of the Internet.

And as Andy is about to dump it, this would be an appropriate way of saying good-bye to the car.

I vote for the Commer ;D

Lets have the DN9R chasing the DBR1 whilst overtaking a Blower Bentley at White House whilst all three pursue the Commer bursting out of the circuit plan. I love it!!

Something simple?



>Martini...

Hi-Res pdf for front

>Martini...

with the track being yellow, will it not fade a bit on the T-shirts?

Good drawing - but that might cause trouble - I assume the Aston-Logo with the wings is copyright-protected

We can apply for the permission to use the logo or amend/morph it. I do not think they will be averse to the association of the 50yrs at LM/

With regard to the yellow LM track this was to be the colour of the yellow on the front of the Aston, a basic yellow was used for indication purpose - it took me 10 mins...

From the brand site
The logo design and the artwork you are about to download is the intellectual property of the copyright and/or trademark holder and is offered to you as a convenience for lawful use with proper permission from the copyright and/or trademark holder only. You hereby agree that you agree to the Terms of Use and that the artwork you download will be used for non-commercial use without infringing on the rights of the copyright and/or trademark holder and in compliance with the DMCA act of 1998. Before you use or reproduce this artwork in any manner, you agree to obtain the express permission of the copyright and/or trademark holder. Failure to obtain such permission is a violation of international copyright and trademark laws subject to specific financial and criminal penalties.

>Martini...

I say drop a line to Aston giving all the details and I bet the answer will be yes... also worth asking if a CA sticker could be on one of the cars.... you never know!! :D
PP

Hmm.  I don't mind the car but personally am not mad about the logo on its own - it's a bit of a direct association between CA and Aston Martin.  Anniversary apart, what's our connection with them?  However, as said above, I would buy the t-shirt anyway but I'm not sure I'd want to wear it much.

I'd prefer cars to the wings....I love the idea of an old Aston and a new Aston bursting out of the track...way beyond my technological abilities though!! 

I have a mate whos a bit handy with computer graphics. I've given him the general idea and if he gets time he'll have a go but he is busy with work just now.

Holy s**t, I'm worn out just reading that, let alone working out how someone would draw/design it  :o :o ;D

Friday night thought for the shirt design....
A. Dunlop Bridge with Commer in centre of track with '59 & '08 either side but behind the pace.
B. Mulsanne, over the hump, Commer with wheels off the ground with the above Astons either side.
C. Commer as pace car using a previously published image of the field but photoshopped...

What a load of rubbish... but hey.. thats Friday nite!! hehe

PP

Hi Rex,
         Makes perfect sense to me.... but then it is Friday night and I too have been drinking :o Warsteiner again my weakness when it is on sale ;D
Phil

Del
The top of this is different to last years so someone else must have produced the artwork.

>Martini...

How about something like this.  Apols for my lack of abilities PhotoShop-wise   ::)

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/Back1.jpg)

That's starting to look good Del, but what on earth has happened between Mulsanne and Indianpolis? Another attempt by the ACO to slow the cars down?

Thats looking like the general idea Del. Im still working on my mate to put a drawing together but spare time is as rare as rocking horse sh*te for him just now.

Looks good Del.

However, it should be 1959 - 2009

Didn't look at that, Bob - I just took Martini's circuit outline as a start point.

This is only a starter anyway - just to get a principle.  The cars would have to be 'block' colours or line drawings (like the GT40 a couple of years ago, and my own lack of software (and ability!!) prevents me from doing more.  Waiting for someone like Rusty to pick it up   ;) ;)

Del

You are, of course, correct, Steve.  I originally entered the dates on two lines with the correct dates - but obviously got it wrong when editing it.

Will be better to have 007 on the DBR9, and the DBR1 should be no. 5

Del

Hi
You need to remember the colour restrictions.

>Martini...

Excellent draft, Del!

Del,

Like the way that it is headed!

MG Mark

Del,

Like the layout, but how about the cars facing left and right.  I think that would have more impact.

Good idea! With a tearing effect around them! Like bullet style!
PP :D

not bothered by whats on it but can i have a pink tshirt again???? xxxxx

If you wash it with Rexs best red bobble hat, you'll have a lovely pink T shirt.

rex only has a green bobble hat, and i dont fancy a green top, come to think of it it's my hat i bet it's been all stretched by his fat head now.....

Anyone got a picture of the LMP1 Aston, looking towards the front corner of the car??

Del

Like this?

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o134/landman1964/AM_LMP1.jpg)

That is so nice!!!

That looks awesome. I would definitely buy a shirt if it had that on the front!

So how about something like this:

NB the colours on a shirt would be simplified

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/Back2.jpg)

Very nice :D

I like the concept but think that the circuits upside down!  also the 59 car should be left of the 2009 one so that it "reads" right.
Just my thoughts.

Have my reservations on this idea, given the limited colour palate, possibly the use of both cars is the problem.
Prehaps limiting it to either the old car or the new car might be better IMHO.

Rusty, I think we need your help again!

The circuit is deffo upside down, maybe it'll run even faster that way

Input for a shirt?

How about just the LMP1 car with simplified palette, kinda like the Jag one that appeared in the purple and clock shirt, on the circuit the right way up

That Gulf colour scheme appeals to me on all sorts of levels

Looks as if Rusty should be dragged away from planning the Popemobile for ten minutes

 ;)

Rusty will be on the ball soon - he's had a (close) family bereavement, and will be busy for a the next week or so.

In the meantime, I'm just throwing ideas in.  The latest pic is just possible with 4 colours (a practical limit) - blue, orange, green and black - the no. 5 DB1 that won in '59 did not have the yellow piping anyway!!  Also, I realised that the first pic with the DB1 and DB9, the circuit is mirrored upside down, but it is OK in the last one, except that it is pre 2002.

The objective is to keep the pic in 'portrait' as opposed to landscape format for a better fit on the shirt .

Del

Yes me too, much prefer this to the one with the track on the back

Yes, I know the Aston's British but do we have to have a bloomin' great Union flag on it?  Sorry, don't like that at all.  I for one wouldn't wear a British flag, as I don't live there and hate having a large label on saying "Je suis une Anglaise."  No thanks.

I agree with Termie.  We might as well all wear Doc Martins and braces.

The "1959 / 2009" 50 year theme is a great idea.

Ditto.

Ditto too

Of course I forgot it's illegal to be British these days. Don't you already have Doc Martins and braces Steve? I thought all white British people were members of the National Front or the BNP at the very least.  ::)

Anyway, back to the design and, being objective for a moment, the gulf colours clash quite badly with red and blue (by clash I mean that when I look at the image the car tends to get lost) and I think the car would look better on its own. Also think one car looks better than both, expecially given the colour limitations of the printing process.

Just my 2.25409 Euro Cent's worth (at the current exchange rate)

We couldn't have the car and the flag anyway - too many colours.

But keep the comments and suggestions rolling.  We'll probably end up with a poll anyway and go with the majority.

Del

I'm with Termie here. The shirts should have a Le Mans connection.
If the flagpole is on the left, your Union Flag is upside down, Del.

Not my pic, Chris, but you are correct - I hadn't noticed.  All I did was to Photoshop the flag out.

Del

How about the 2 car design but with the 59 car as a period type monotone and the p1 car in colour, I gather from historical programmes on TV the world was mostly monotone in 59 anyway!

What a pity we're all so concerned about our nationality. I've never seen the Dutch or the Danes afraid to wear their national colours proudly. Im proud to be British and whilst I'm not one for forcing it in peoples faces, especially when I'm a guest in their country, I don't have any qualms about people knowing where I'm from or that I'm happily supporting Aston. Anyway, just my humble response.
Having said all that the big Union Flag is a little "in yer face" and I'd prefer something a little more subtle.

Sorry, you're all wrong.

The Aston is English, not British.

Quite so!

Think back to the 2003 Bently T shirt, it had a Union Jack blowing in the wind with the car centre and looked fantastic using just 4 colours.  The AM is made in Britain so why not be proud to support this?

What must be remembered is that not all CA members are British or they are but reside on foreign soil.  I think this has been catered for in the shirt design by your choice of having the Union flag on the sleeve.

Also, whilst the Aston is very a British car, they are not so parochial (nationalistic??) as some teams as they do not insist on an all-British driver line-up.  The design of the shirt, as it stands at the moment, is to reflect the anniversary of the Team's success 50 yrs ago (driven by a Brit and an American) and it's continuing involvement in the race.

Who knows, next year we may opt for a pic of the mighty 917 to mark the 30th anniversary of Porsche's first victory (driven by a Brit and a German) :-\ :-\

Del

Del,

I agree with your comments.

Hence I asked if National Flags can be again displayed on the left hand sleave.

In our group we have - Welsh, English, French, Scotish and Estonian.

If you're English you're British. Just look at your passport. However, not all Brits are English.  ;)

OK chaps, I'm back in the game. Mother is now at rest.

I suggest you get your thoughts together as to the direction you want to go, get some kind of agreement and I'll do my best to sort it out. BTW, we don't do Union Jacks around here

Russ

Sorry to hear your news.

Hi Russ - hope everything went as well as can be expected.

The last prototype I posted  (http://www.clubarnage.com/forum/index.php?topic=9392.msg129266#msg129266) seems to find favour with most, so lets work from that.  If you could 'simplify' it and work your magic on it, I think it'll be OK.  If you need any pics, email me.  I've just noticed that the circuit map I used is pre 2002 (still got the old esses), so that might need changing.  I've budgeted for a max of 4 colours for the pic.

Many thanks

Del

Don't think it's upside down but back to front - left to right.

Any news on the design front??? Mike C placed our order today,cant wait to see the finished design.

Mike

OK Ladies,

this is my first shot. It's only a rough at the moment.

Don't get too hung up on colours or car details etc. as I can sort that later, if you think it's heading in the right direction then I have something to work with. BTW I tried a single colour BRG and it looked fab to me.

Enjoy

Nice on Rusty, I drew a complete blank on this, mind you lack of time does not help.

>Martini...

Here's a rough BRG version

Thanks Russell - definitely in the right direction    :D :D

One query - are we OK with the AM logo - copyright-wise??


Del

Can't see that being a problem, they'd have to be a right bunch of c**ts if they wanted to make it and issue. and we'd be forced to send Private Trayboy over with his black bag of woe to have a word.


Here's one with names on, just in case anyone has an issue with orientation.

SWEET!!! Well done that man  :D

Biting my tongue here.... but I can think of one or two that might apply to!!    ;)

F

P.S.  Nice design tho.

I find myself disorientated frequently, particularly at Le Mans, north and south just gets in the way, hey, even the ACO have it running east /west on there maps, that's probably why I get lost so much, just a dirty french trick in my mind.

At the very least its a conspiracy!

Russ

Bearing in mind the design will also be used on the car stickers, it would be a bit of a problem at the moment as the design is 'tall and thin'.  Can you try to re-orient rotate the circuit map clockwise a bit.

Del

That won't work on this particular layout that I've done for the shirt as it knocks the flow out completely. If everyone is happy with this route, I'd sort a separate one for the sticker that will be an adaptation of this design but specifically for a squarer layout as the cars and everything will have to move.

Right, I'm off down the boozer.

I can have a word with Aston if required?  I know a couple of the new team of senior brand Directors, as well as the IT director (who would be two tenths of F'all use, but at least can put in a good word!!)

Let me know by PM if you want me to?

Absolutley great, not worried about the stickers, but I'd love that design on the back of my t-shirt. ;D

I wish had 1% of Rusty's artistic talent.

Fine job dude, spose I had better get my finger out and get my order in ;D
PP

not really necessary unless they want to buy my design Brad   ;D

Could always do a trade for the ONE -77

Having had a look at the 2007 sticker layout (couldn't find the 08), I'd suggest something that actually balances and works as one considering you are putting 3 elements together that shouldn't fight as they do, what is the most important message on the sticker ?  ;D

Wonderfull design Russ!

Gets my vote Russ.  First class as always.

Brilliant Rusty

yet another fine tee shirt you gets CA into

BRG looks the business

My vote too...  I think you have got the hang of all this after a few years ;)
PP

I concur mate.

Trust me - they're not buying or trading anything at the moment!!  Mainly driven by the fact that they're not selling anything either......rubbbbbbbbish

Excellent!  :)

I prefer the one with the corner names on.

Even if you are asked to drop the AM logo, I think the design still works.

(Better confirm my order now).

No problems with a complete overhaul of the sticker, Russ.  Obviously the CA logo should be there somewhere - apart from that, you have a blank sheet.

Del

Top design Russ.  Suddenly I want a T-shirt!

Dx

Looks awesome Russ.....extra sale here too!

Nice design. Just a small point - call me pedantic if you must, but I believe the corner after Dunlop marked Tetre Rouge is spelt Tertre Rouge, or is it a ploy to make the shirts even more collectable again?

Well spotted. That's me just doing things in a hurry, I've checked that and also changed it. As I said it's not for print yet as it's only in rough form.

Peter, I like your idea but the is a problem. You either have to have a passenger or take your shirt off ;D

Not to mention the small problem of needing to know where you are in the first place.

Dx

Personally if think the uncluttered design without the corner names is best.

Sometimes simple is best ;)

Campsite names as well would be ott imho.

I think it is really excellent so do not change a thing.  Not interested in having campsites on but do stick with corner names.

Top design that man !!
Yes if it's up for a vote, then keep the corner names in.

Fab design, no names for me if I have a choice.