Club Arnage

A couple of us have been bashing a few ideas about for the CA '08 t-shirts.

For the front, we've looked at new designs and the old design on a different coloured shirt, and have concluded that the front of the shirt should remain the same as it has become almost a trademark of CA.  So the front will look like:

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/ca08ashirtWhiteVert.jpg)

Please note that not all shirts will have my 'name' on them   :D :D - although I will be able to offer to have your shirts personalised (printed, not stick-on) for a small additional charge.

The current thought for the back is that the design will be based on the XJR9 as below.  This pic needs more work on it to add another colour or two.

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/ca08ashirtWhiteBack.jpg)

Any comments??

Please don't post orders on here - I'll start a separate thread for that.

Del

Nice  ;D  I like the idea of the front staying the same - good use of the "brand"! 

I would rather like to see the Gulf Aston on the back. We have had two years of retro shirts, might be nice to feature a car for the current year.

We thought about that Rick - in fact we tried to make the whole shirt into Gulf colours - but the colours didn't seem to work out to well with the front design.

The trouble with the Gulf Aston - have we got a picture THAT WE COULD USE (cf copyright...)

Del

XJR9 does it for me. A good homage to the 20th anniversary too.

I'd like to add to Del's comment it will be rather hard at the moment to get an 'action shot' of the AM in Gulf colours. Speaking of which, two times Gulf in a row? :-\

Just my two pence worth.

I think it looks nicer with the CA Logo on the left breast (above Le Mans at the top of the red/white/blue stripe)

I think that is how we had them in 2004 and 2005??

If we can wait until March I am sure some of us will be able to snap a good picture :-)

Agree JP that it would be two Gulf's in a year!

Would have paid homage to Audi if they weren't taking the piss nowadays.

Or how about a tribute to Racing For Holland?

I like the idea of the personalised name.

I think this is great from those nice people at N138

http://www.n138.net/signs_shirt.htm

or something like this for a change
(http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/pi/pit-babes-hawaiian-tropic-girls-2003-other-motorsport-24-hours-poster--medium-42cm-x-30cm-.JPG)

You have got to be kidding, my arse will never fit into one of those ! LOL !

I thought you wanted them FOR March   ???

With the XJR9, there is the Dutch connection with Jan driving the winning car.

Del

Sure, if Aston Martin would be driving there... :-\

(they're still not on the official list) http://www.planetlemans.com/alms-2008-sebring-entrylist/

I'll do the artwork tomorrow in the office ;)

Yes, like the idea of the XJR 9 on the back as not only will it fit in with the 20th anniversary but also with the Group C support race this year.

I know it is early days and this is the first stab.........

I like the front, and the idea to try and standardise it makes sense. But could the 2008 be written without the digits overlapping eachother......makes it a little cluttered looking and not so easy to read. Just a thought.

Like the Jag on the back, and I think the current two colours looks fine, but the track is too much of a block of colour, it needs to be broken up a bit, somehow.

But generally good work chaps.

I like the design and the Jag on the back  :)

Absolutely. All that's done now is put a jpg through Adobe Streamliner, removed some of the back ground (banking) and gave it a colour. This is just the first rough scetch of how it will be.

As for rough scetches, this is how last year's shirt started...
(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/GT40_Dunlop.jpg)

Hi all,

first of all I think it's a very good idea to keep our basic design (white with blue-red stripes) from last year, easier to recognize other CAers. My suggestions for this year:

Front: Leave away both "Le Mans" and the overlapping "2008" digits on the red-blue stripes, both is written in this label on the other side of the chest anyway.

Back: The web address "www.clubarnage.com" is fine and a must, but instead of a picture of a racecar  I suggest a motto, e.g. "It will not rain again this year, will it???"   or    " 24 hours of le Mans - The most fun you can have with your trousers still on..."



Cheers

Werner

How about the words "Poo Bar at 21.00 hours"

hurry up i want to order some :laugh:

Del,

 If you can personnalise the front for a small additional charge, can those of us who want it have the Union flag back?

I love the Jag on the back, but why not use the blue, stippled maybe, from the webaddress as the track colour and leave the car (with wheels and shadows) in purple

I think the stripes would look better without the 2008 on them (we have the year dated on the "tag" badge anyway) and with the proper club arnage logo that is on the sleeve in the top of the stripes area, as suggested by Mark.

But whichever the Jag looks stunning and follows nicely after last year's Ford

Nostalgia being what it is it'll soon be time for the no 7 Bentley...

bill

I suppose this is the wrong time and place to say I'd prefer a Polo Shirt with the year on it?

Well in fact to be precise my wife would prefer me not to wear a T Shirt!  So I buy the T Shirt and it sits in the cupboard taking up space and not being worn as I know if I wear it, it will never emerge out of the ironing pile!

On aesthestic grounds I agree that the branding should be kept with the previous years, I'd prefer a current car on the back but if thats not possible the XJR will do.

...sorry, the what?  ???   You iron tshirts?  blimey  ;D   I'm more a "wash and wear" kinda gal!

Course I don't iron T-shirts! The wife does  ;D Or rather in this case doesn't!

I would like to suggest an alternative to the car design on the back. 

I really liked the idea of the LM clock on the back, prehaps with it showing one minute to 4, ( or 3 if we wish to be up to date), with the 'Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting' quote underneath.

Thanks for all the constructive comments so far.  We'll re-do the front and I'll amend the preview asap.

Regarding the Union flag - I will pop into the printer in a few days time to ask what additional costs may be involved to put A flag on the left sleeve.  I hope to be able to offer to put any flag on as an option.

Del

A photo of the PooBar? ;D

The front was changed to what it is now and everyone thought it was an improvement... reverting back to previous design seems futile... after all you are only going to get pixxed and spill beer on them. I feel a camel coming on... If there really does need to be a change you could always go down the route of the olympic design, but remember the constraints of screen printing.

>Martini...

I like Barry's idea for the back of the shirt.  I'm not keen on other "funny" comments, it's too difficult to get something that actually is funny and not just stooopid! 

I'd vote for leaving the front the same, let's not re-invent the wheel for the sake of it.

An Alka Seltzer in a champagne glass?

OK I done some real wikked Photoshoppery to change the image (Paint Shop Pro 4 atcherrley) in line with my earlier brilliant suggestions

yukkkk >:(

forget I spoke, the original looks more dramatic

maybe a thinning out of the track surface shade density to get a defined picture of the car, apart from that I like wot Delboy did first off.

bill

I still think the Jag would be more fitting with the anniversary, Jan lammers, and the Group C Race. Also it would make me buy one again having decided to give last years a miss.

I liked the idea of the clock for the calendar, but I'm not too keen on the current one.  Anyway, no-one had a decent picture of it, either the old one or the current one.

Del

There is a nice 2 colour image on the inside cover of Brian Laban's book of the 24 Hour, which I think is intresting.

Now whether people like it, and the guys who are good at tweeking pictures could make it work on a 'T', I don't know.

I cannot see a copywrite reference in the book, although if we wanted to use it we would need Brian's permission, we did succeed with 2 beers.

Does anyone know Brian Laban?

I remember saving this when it went past in another thread months ago.

everybody seemed real keen on it at the time.

-Lee

(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/misc/CA_shirt08.jpg)

here's a quick hack job.  -Lee

(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/misc/ca08_maybe.jpg)

Nice :D

thank ya, thank ya very much  (http://www.selfstudio.com/images/art/elvis.gif)

Thanks for the reminder, Lee. But there are problems all over with that design.
First of all, the diagonal stripes cannot cover the shirt completely, as most printers normally have a standard oversized A3 -rack (400 x 300 mm) to print on. It is possible to print completely, but that would raise the printing price substantially.
Seconly there is the colour of the stripes. Originally the blue should be left and red should be right, so the stripes eventually become more like a French flag instead of a Dutch flag. I do not believe the majority of the CA-people would like their own shirt to become Dutch as most are all English.

A shirt with the coloured striping the original way would look like this:
(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/ca08dshirt.jpg)

Working in that same way, but then with a Union Jack, maybe it could look like this:
(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/ca08eshirt.jpg)

Please leave the stripes on the front of teh t-shirt as they have been the last year

Cheers

Werner

That should be like this then...

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/ca08fshirt.jpg)

I love the union jack idea but TBH I think the one I have quoted will be better to mass produce. Im thinking of the guys who have to make them / order them. If you stick to 1 universal t shirt it will save mistakes ( not that your going to make any! )

Nothing to do with the end result, but for the third consecutive year we will change printers ;)

not a problem then  :P

Not quite............try the other left!!!!!  ::)

That would be right on the shirt Mark ::)

This one? (http://forum.drinkingforholland.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif)

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/ca08hshirt.jpg)


Something like this, or the complete clock?

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/ca08gshirt.jpg)

3 PM start this year?

adjusted ;)


I thought more London time, Peter! :D

That looks good Paddy - could we just go with "Racing is Life..." if the whole quote is too big to go on?

Or as covered on the thread re Frederique what about "Make every moment matter" - fits in quite nicely with the clock, the 24 hour concept and is a nice motto for life?  (or make every moment count - similar but different)

A clock showing the 3 pm Start time is fine for me, but I would not use the Rolex logo or make it similar to the one at the track. Lets just take a normal clock

okay, Moscow time then :-\

wha'evah! ;D

How about….."A lot can happen in 24hrs……."

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/ca08ashirtWhiteVert.jpg)

I think the front should definitely be like this (without the Le Mans 2008 over the stripes) with the logo on the arm. Also like the idea of adding names to the front.

Not too concerned about the back but don't particularly like the clock idea and definitely don't like the idea of crappy slogans (real men do it for 24 hours etc.)

Diesel is for trucks! :D

Corvettes run on corn.  -Lee

love the tshirt ideas :)

I'm with Robspot on this one, especially as diesel is for Lorries, when we can afford it.

If it needs one, I'd prefer a historic picture GT40/D type/XJR12/962/DBR1 etc

DBR1 for 2009 (50th anniversary)

(http://www.frecksautoart.com/Dscn2044E650.jpg)

That one looks like it's falling apart, Steve ::)

;D

Ummmm....can we keep on topic please Mr Moderator/Spam Buster/Administrator et al  - let's worry about 2009 in 12 months time   :) :)

Del

Eerrr, don't mean to be a wise arse, but the shirt had the GT40 on the back last year :-\

Sorry to jump the fence but any idea when a realise date will be to place orders?

I'm going to see the printer on saturday morning to get a price for the 'optional' flag on the sleeve.  Once I have that, I will start an 'Orders' thread - so either sat afternoon or Sunday to answer your question   :-* :-*  The aim is to get them printed in time for those going to Sebring.

Del

Just a thought: The T-Shirt sale is a good oportunity to collect money for the CA server fund, may I suggest a surcharge of 1 or 2 Pounds?

Cheers

Werner

Don't worry Werner - already factored in

Del

Russ is back from his holz.
I hope after he got over the ticket misery, he might be able to help us out here...

I'm due a new t shirt, so whatever is on it I'll get one this year, I may even buy some jeans as well!

 I like the idea of names as well , it could be an additional extra cost addition if required.

The fact that we have a white T-shirt perfectly reflects the French flag of a white cross on a white background

OK Guys & Gals

It looks like a choice between the Jag XJR9 and the clock.

I've added a poll to this thread so that you can make the decision.

I have added two further options

a) to combine the clock with the Jag
b) You can have the choice at order time which of these you want (no additional cost for this option).

I'll let the poll run for precisely one week, and I'll go with the majority

The front will be like this - please note that I won't know the cost of the 'optional' flag on the left sleeve until later.

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/ca08ashirtWhiteVertNew.jpg)

Del

Del,

Excellent work so far, good on ya. Looks like the Jag is favourite at the moment  :); however i suspect that when it comes to ordering, people will go for whatever is the selected design anyway, regardless of what their personal choice of design would be. If they want an '08 shirt, they'll buy one whatever is on it, if they don't they won't. Count me in for 4!

Early days yet, PD.

But it's why I offerred the either/or option so that people can have whichever picture they want.  As long as the front is 'standard', I don't see a problem with this.

Del

I hope there'll be no rigged votes or repeat polling - this isn't XXX-Factor, pop schmidol or whatever the latest televoting scandal was about...  ;D

Wooohooo - don't mind whats on the back so long as I can have the Saltire on the arm. ;D

Ok although i suggested the clock I've voted for the Jag. :o

Reason is that the time frame required to organise any clock design, would probably cause a problem to produce the T before Sebring.

However I would suggest that an alternative to a 'car on the back' is considered at some time in the near future, 'cos we are CA, and everyone else does car's on T-shirts.

 

Fabulous work there Del.

I've put the feelers out to our lot and awaiting a reply regarding numbers/sizes.

I know we will all have the WELSH flag on the sleeve.

When is the deadline for ordering?

I'm going to the printers Sat morning to clear a few things up, and after that I'll get an 'Order' thread under way.

I don't envisage an early deadline this year, as with this printer, there is no 'set-up' costs, and a follow-up smaller order will not be that much more expensive.

Watch this space   ;)

Del

Thought I'd chuck this in.

Rusty, that is superb I really like that design as it covers both the \jag and clock.
Great stuff.

Russ

Small (pedantic??) point - can you make it car number 2 - that was the winner in '88

Also have a driver??

Del

That is superb Rusty. Bloody fantastic

It's only a rough sketch at the moment. I can deal with any finer points later should people want to go with this direction.

Rusty

rough sketch ::)

That looks ace and should satisfy everybody, nice one !!

Rusty,
It gets my vote :D

Brilliant job, Russ! 8)

I agree

So do I, brilliant picture Russ!!

Del, is there any chance your tshirt man can give you the chest sizes for the tshirts?   

And Thank you! for the v necks - Fran and I will be happy!    BTW it's not about displaying bumps - don't you watch Trinny and Susannah - a girl must look her best at all times  ;D  (especially after a week at LM with barely a shower  ;D ;D)

I'll email him and ask.  Will let you know - next week sometime.

Del

I love Rustys "rough sketch"

Am I brave enough to suggest we go with Rusty's design with amendments as per Del..

YES I am.

PS. although I did the artwork for the 2008 front I never did like the '8' version the numbers looked clumsy as opposed to the two previous years.Looks better without.


>Martini...

I agree, bugger democracy - Rusty's version is fab  ;D

(I prefer the numbers on the front though but it will look good whatever) 

I know what you mean by the '8' Martini, so I had a little tickle with that too.

Why didn't I think of that, perfect, I think.

Will this start another mass debate  ;D

>Martini...

Nah....tell you what, there's three of us here now, I'll propose the idea, and one of you two can second it - the motion will be carried before any one else gets to the thread  ;D

I've got these two fellas too  :D

Seeing that Rusty had come up with an alternate design I was expecting some riotous two fingered salute to the ACO but now I see it is, in fact, just another f**k*ng car.

Very disappointing really.

I'm saving that for our own shirt Rob. Don't you worry mister ;D

Design won't be ready for a while yet, but will also be available for purchase.

Put me down for 1 fat bastard size when you get round to them  ;D

I much prefer no1.

Looks Great.

If you can produce the optional flag from " Limburg " ( southern "state " of the Netherlands ) on the sleeve as wel it will be fantastic.

Better ; check with paddy for an DFH sign ( Lion or Flag ).



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This one Max??

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/Limburg.png)

Del

That's brilliant, I will put that one on my order form as well, I am from the same province as Max is.

Glad someone is pleased   ::) ::). 

You are not limited to the 'samples' I have displayed.  If you want a particular flag, and I can't find it anywhere, all you have to do is send me a jpeg format picture, and I'll use it.

Incidentally, it does not have to be a 'regular' flag - if you want a logo (or anything else), again just send me a jpeg picture.

Del

Yep.

Perfect flag.

Paddy will collect the total order for DFH.

You 'l get it in one order.


.

Slight change of direction folks.

Gauging the reaction so far in this thread and the poll, I have locked the poll, and will give people the choice of having the Jag XJR9 with or without the clock.  If you have already downloaded the order form, please do so again, and select your preferred option (for those who have already sent their order, ignore this as I have contacted you directly).

I have also taken off the limit of 10 characters for the personalisation.  You can have any number of characters you want, but remember that the more characters, the smaller they will be.  I felt that more than 10 would make the letters too small.


Del

Thanks Max - it's what I expected.    We'll come to a separate deal regarding payment and delivery for DfH.

Del

Yeah, make them pay more  ;D

They're so difficult to deal with  ::)

Didn't the Pound drop last week against the Euro ??



.

Nope, the Euro got stronger ;)

At the moment it's € 1,27 for a pound, that used to be € 1,40 a while ago...

So the dutchies pay less for a t shirt.

......than they would have done a few months ago   :) :)

Del

Errr.

€ 1,27 for a pound, to get 10 pounds multiply 1,27 with 10, makes 12,70. When it was 1,40 a pound, we multiplied 1,40 with 10, makes 14!

Your pension is shrinking cos you get less euro's for a pound, not the other way around. ;)

That's what I meant, Marius.  Your CA shirt will cost you 12.7 euros - a few months ago it would have cost you 14 euros

It's people like Termie who are suffering - being 'paid' in GBP but spending in euro

I'm glad I still have some euros in my French bank account   ;D ;D  I'll have a cheaper LM than most from the UK.

Del

Info from my printer man:

small – 35-37 chest,  medium – 34-37 chest , Large – 37-40 chest,  XL – 40-43 – note lady fit t shirts are quite short in the body.

I've emailed him to clarify - the small size seems to be in error.

Del

As you see, I deleted this before you replied, when I realised I was talking b*l*x! ::)

I hope you've declined to list sizes larger than XL and not that they simply don't exist. I'm not overly fond of the tight rugby shirt look.

Is the artwork with the Jag and the clock being adjusted, since Rusty said it was a sketch ? Ie, No 1 being changed to No 2 to reflect the winning car and also the Jaguar logo being properly located on the rear wing end plane etc.

I'll make those and any other adjustments when I draw up the final art should that design be the direction that people want. As i said, it is just a rough at the moment.

Rusty

It was still visible when I replied Termie, otherwise I couldn't have read it, now could I? ;)

I have added a few things to the T-shirt description in the 'Order' thread, including chest sizes for both the ladies and the non-ladies.

Changes/additions are in blue type.

Del

Any chance of kids sizes as well?

Muzette isn't going to La Sarthe but would proudly wear a CA shirt at the Nürburgring and Spa ::)

Will check with the printer Muz

Del

Response from printer is:

Hi  - yes we do  - 3/4 5/6 7/8 9/11 12/13/14/15

Presumably these are years.

Just modify and resend your order form, Paul, and I'll delete the other(s)!!

Del

Brilliant.

My eldest would probably wear one with pride as well.

I'll send in the order soon.

Del, that is a very accomodating printer you have found there. It seems the answer to everything is "Yes".

A rare and wonderful thing nowadays in the UK.

Cool - so that's two gorillas, a chimpanzee and a spider-monkey  ::)

Hopefully, Bob, but the proof of the pudding...........

Seriously, he has a lot of examples in his premises, and when I've been there I've sneaked a look at work-in-progress, and they all look good.  He also has a very extensive range of products - he gave me a cd with his catalogue on it - everything from t-shirts, formal shirts to sportswear.  Didn't, however, see anything that might interest Mr Paxman though  ;D ;D

Del

Del, can you drop me a PM with the printer's details - he may be useful!

Cheers

Have we any update on the final / reworked artwork for the jaguar with the clock design yet, I would love to see it if possible before placing an order for our group as i stand a better chance on selling them the idea if they can see the final design first.

Thanks
Regards
Chris

Still waiting for my graphics designer (Rusty) to come up with something magic.   ;) ;)

Del

Shouldn't be to long now, just been very busy down here !! Hopefully during this coming week.

Del does he do socks ;D ;D

Still no final design from Rusty yet ?

Come on Chris, keep up  ::)
http://www.clubarnage.com/forum/index.php?topic=8066.msg109900#msg109900 (http://www.clubarnage.com/forum/index.php?topic=8066.msg109900#msg109900)

.......and the shirts are being printed as we speak!!  In fact I will be picking up the first batch tomorrow (saturday).

The order book is still open, as I will be having a second print run later.

Del

Finished article looks great from the pictures you put in the other thread.

Good effort and thanks to those that helped do all the work.