Club Arnage

Latest text today at http://www.lemans.org/24heuresmoto/live/actu/2008-01-09_GD_2511_fr.html (http://www.lemans.org/24heuresmoto/live/actu/2008-01-09_GD_2511_fr.html)

Work of the turn of the Garage-green From November 2007 at at the end of February 2008, the layout of the turn of the Garage-green will be the subject of important work. The objective being to always better answer the safety requirements imposed by the International Federation Motorcylcist, this turn neither more nor will be moved less to be able to offer a broad release on the left side of the track. That amounts entirely shifting the entry of the turn, the loop and the exit towards the line of a score of meters. Financed by the Mixed Trade union of the 24 Hour old circuit of Mans, owner of the circuit, at the request of the ACO, at a total cost of 4,8 million euros, this work will have the originality to preserve at identical the drawing out of U so particular of this turn. 750 m of track thus "will move" towards the east, and the linear length of the layout of the Bugatti circuit will be slightly changed. In against part, this zone of the circuit will pass to 12 m broad, and the entry of the turn will profit from a bituminous mix extra width from 5 m, including 2 m covered of synthetic grass, and 15 m gravel vat. In the curve, the external gravel vat will pass from 52,50 m to 75 m, with 20 m of release out of bituminous mix. In addition, this new Garage-green falls under a total project of creation, side is Bugatti circuit, of a new entry éponyme, with some steps of the terminus of the tram. The spectators will be able to thus come directly to the entry from the circuit by public transport. An access for the people to reduced mobility is envisaged, as well as the possibility of establishment of a provisional platform of more than 2 000 places, and the startup of a new tunnel which will make it possible to pass under the track to go up to the Dunlop footbridge via the two already existing tunnels. Work of the Circuit of White House the layout of the circuit of White House will make new skin during winter 2007/2008: lengthening, access roads to have several possible configurations, 4 permanent stands, new safety fences and gravel vats are with the program. The objective is of being able to use it in total complementarity of the Bugatti circuit within the framework of the diversification of the activities offered by ACO (various training courses, flying school, club activity, etc).

Bu99er, if your right that's straight through my preferred KN pitch ......  >:(

so I am probably wrong with my drawing :-\

You are but you do realize that you and Rick for that matter, with his "all major campsites will be closed in 2008" thread, scare the sh*t out of people  ;)

I never said "all major campsites will be closed in 2008", only passed on the email I got from the ACO. Or shouldn't I warn people who have ordered MB tickets for zone A + B?
Thusfar Liverpool Boys, Lorry, Team JPC and DfH have been bounced out of Maison Blanche, and I think many more will follow after the news got out construction works costs 400 camping places on Maison Blanche alone. But apparently that doesn't mean anything (http://forum.drinkingforholland.com/images/smiles/icon_erm.gif)

I wondered (and FS too) why the ACO simply doesn't release a drawing of the plans. Speaking of plans, it's typical ACO again to first figure out a plan, then start the work on that plan, only to realize the plan has some consequenses :-\

That, plus grandstands in Maison Blance, just after the porsche curves. Although taking up camping space, it should be a good viewing spot for the race though!

the ticket office :-X

400 camping tickets less on MB alone surely will have an effect :-\

and remember the vast majority of the visitors to the 24h are French (81%) and donot really bother with camping.

May I say that most of this is speculation. Lets see what happens.

At the end of the day - even if MB and KN are compromised - is it going to have that much effect?

I may be "Refreshed" but have to agree with the above.... over the last 20 years I have camped on most of the sites at LM and visited my Dad and his aged mates on all the others many times in the last 8 years. (Thank f**k BSJ has not been mentioned!)
LM changes every year and we have to adapt to it. I fully appreciate the DFH issues as the supercamp that we have all enjoyed (oh we have!) and all their planning being fcuked up, but it really is beyond our control.

Why dont we all just wait and see where we get allocated and then make decisions or this bickering will be never ending.

Did anyone drive down through Northern France (not towards LM but west) in the mid 90's? remember when they were spending Billions of Francs on the roads, not for our benefit, but for theirs..... drive through a building site one week, drive back through landscaped bankings that looked like they had been there for years a week later.

I hope, and I may be wrong... but they are doing all this for themselves again (obviously)... so wont sh*t on their own door step by leaving MB or KN as a building site as some have suggested. When is the first outing for the new track sections?????????? They wont want mud and shite on display after spending all that money to meet the regs and having all the bigwigs there to see it look like a tramps underpants.

Anyway.. enough from me. We will all be there, if last years weather didnt spoil things, then a change of scenery shoudnt either!
New spot.. new victims for the Chilli Challenge!

PP of The Brethren

I will report back what its like in may.. with piccies.. as I will be there for the oh so naughty motoGP boys ;D

cheering on our brit jamie 'the masher' toseland 8)

It's people like you what cause unrest.

Bloody motorbike track changes grrr....

... passengers to hop off the tram and get straight into the circuit - including the disabled.  

The tram stop is pretty much on the HA roundabout. The whole of the area between the tram stop and Garage Vert was a hive of activity a few weeks ago when I posted about this.  The new tunnel and entrace will allow passengers to hop off the tram and get straight into the circuit - including the disabled.  There will be room for a temporary stand for 2,000 people.  Most of the other work at GV is concerned with safety standards dictated by the bikers (much like the pit exit debacle a couple of years ago.)

I've looked and looked at the wording about MB and to my mind, it still says 4 permanent pits not grandstands.  This makes more sense, given that it's going to be a mini circuit for driver training etc etc.

And yes, like it or not, the crowd is still 80% French but bear in mind that this includes things like PQ weekend where the bias is even more noticable.  Many though just come for a few hours and b*gger off home again - certainly the campsite crowd is, I suspect, much more biased the other way.  I reckon (although this is a personal opinion) that this is why there is a bias in favour of non campers - because that is where most of the feedback comes from.  It's interesting looking at the faq's for instance that although the French audience has exactly the same moans as us - camping doesn't feature very highly, as these things go.  Whereas to many of those coming from other countries, it is the core of the week.

I still go back to the block booking idea. Not setting up an agency but surely it can't do any harm to ask the question "We want to buy 500 camping passes for Club Arnage members, can we do it in one booking and get the allocation we want?"

Im over at my parents in april but its 2 months off  :(

This is very close to what we have tried to do this year, could we put our forms in early and ask for them to be processed together given that we knew we were looking at numbered pitches for MB.

The ACO said they would accept the forms (clearly no guarantees) and here we are mainly be allocated Bleu Nord!!!

Maybe thats the problem the ACO knew the CA group wanted to be together, and knowing there was not going to be enough space due to Building works etc on MB dumped the everyone together in Blue?

You live in Februari?  :o

This might help.

I downloaded the file but all I get is an empty spreadsheet? Am I missing something here?  :-\

It's an Excel file Petra, so you should get a spread sheet with a photo in the middle.

Have you got Excel on your computer?

Gives the general idea, be interested in seeing the extent of the building works from the HA Tram Stop to the Bugatti Circuit entrance.  Last year on HA we saw the trams being delivered and slotted onto the tracks.

The tram terminus is pretty much by the HA roundabout.  The tram then runs through a cutting and up to the new roundabout just North of the bar. 3-4 minutes walk.

Deb, where's the first stop north after you have left the terminus?

Cheers Peter,
I was thinking of going to the drivers parade this year after missing it for the last couple of years, but I've always gone in on the bike.
Car this year and didn't fancy the parking and not drinking.