Club Arnage

Hi to all,

We're having thoughts on covering some costs for the Friday night party at Le Mans next year, and we would like to know your opinion on this matter.

At the 2007 edition we gave you guys the opportunity to sponsor a barrel of beer for the Friday evening, as result of an idea from one of the CA'ers. This was a big success, but did turn into an administrational mess. We never kept track of who gave what when at Le Mans, and so it could have well been that we had more barrels sponsored than we used on the Friday night.

For the next edition, we would like to do this more honestly. After all, there were people who paid way too much for what they comsumed - and there were people who didn't pay anything. This can be done more sufficiently, and we're thinking about selling wrist bands for a minimum amount of money to cover our costs a little. The check for wrist bands should be more easy for next year too, as we will have designated spaces - so we basically have those spaces rented for a week, they will be our spots.

Question is: would you agree on buying wrist bands for the Friday night?

The amount we're thinking of is € 6.00 for just covering the costs including postage - or € 10.00 for cover costs and postage, plus an additional amount for charity. These amounts work out £ 4.10 and £ 6.85 in Sterling.
We realize this is next to nothing for a grand night out, but you guys all know the price we pay for our beer barrels by now. Besides, we are not at Le Mans to make a profit. Any overflow on our account will also go to charity.

The way the plans for the Friday night at the moment are: opening act by the Flying Baguettes, followed by a small gig by the JPC Band. Then the auction, and from 11-ish Vinnies Vice will be back on stage.

I'm early with this, but there's a reason for that. New wrist bands will have to be made, CA'ers will have to be given an opportunity to order and pay - and we have to send the things to your homes.
The reason for selling wrist bands up front is because we want as less money as possible changing hands at Le Mans itself. There will come a day when the people from the ACO wearing ties will come around the corner at exactly the wrong moment, and we haven't got a clue what they will say - but fear the worst.

So please give your own opinion on our proposal, good or bad. Poll will run untill the first of November. We will figure out something else if you all disagree...


Thanks,
Max, Roy, Dirk, Marius and Patrick
Drinking for Holland

Hi DFH-Team

good idea to collect the money up-front - keep it simple, also for yourself, you have been doing a wonderful job organizing these parties. Looking forward to the LM 2008 DfH Friday nite

Cheers

Werner

I'm all for paying for a wristband for admission to the party.

 The only thing I would say is .... This year I saw a lot of people without wristbands at your bar taking drinks.This was not possible to police due to the general melee at the bar and the speed at which the bartenders were passing out the glasses. Afterwards I read on another forum of people openly bragging that they had drunk free beer all night and were not part of a group that had sponsored a barrel.

 As you have reserved numbered spaces for next year will it be possible to stop free access and keep the freeloaders out?

IIRC the firelane was a problem this year as it wasn't possible to put up a barrier to stop people coming through it so it left the bar area open to those who wanted to take the piss. 

It was also quite dark - I think someone explained that there had been some kind of lighting problem but this coupled with the weather (more people wearing long sleeves and coats than usual!) meant that it was easy for people to slink around without being seen without a wristband. 

Bob,
I don't think we can ever stop people coming over to try and have a free drink. After all, we do give it away on all other days (even though our policy with unknown people is one, maybe two beers maximum).
Problem with the wrist bands is that they were easily covered up by jackets at the last edition, so it wasn't easy for the -very busy- bar people to see.
Exclusive shirts are already proposed, but that has down sides too (rain, cold after dusk, fancy dress).

Maybe we should try to come up with something obvious which doesn't get in the way, like a fingerless orange righthand glove for everyone ;D

You guys do a superb job of putting on a fantastic Friday night, which has grown and grown in popularity (and no doubt cost to you) over the last few years, and you have been gracious to open it up to CAers and others, and you put a considerable amount of effort into planning, organising and running the party.  In short, it is your party and you can make the rules!

I have no difficulty at all with buying a wristband for the Friday night and adding an amount for charity.  Keeping the physical handling of cash at Le Mans to a minimum by up-front payment is very sensible, because it would reduce the cash you have to keep safe there, which is important with the theft issues at Le Mans.  If people are paying for the do, then it makes sense to police it to keep the freeloaders out as far as is possible (and I agree with Bob, there were noticeably more of them hanging around this year) and marked spaces might make that easier, notwithstanding the firelanes.  

However, if you do work out a way of successfully policing it, you might want to think about whether you open it up more towards the end of the evening to attract more people in for the actual auction, perhaps by charging a lesser entrance fee in cash at that point?  Almost like having a two-stage event.

MG Mark

I'm happy to pay for the party... if I can make it.  ::)

This is going off track a bit but this might be worth reviewing at some point?  Whilst the auction raised good money last year there weren't really enough people buying to get good prices for the items. 

Given we'll have more time for next year, I wonder if, especially for some of the bigger items we run a list of them before LM and give the chance of "internet bidding" where those who won't be there can put a price that they would be prepared to pay and if it's not beaten they get it?   

I think it's perfectly reasonable to cover your costs (a little bit or in full) and I would be happy to contribute to the cost of a wristband with an additional charity donation included too. The only thing I would offer as advice is that perhaps you could collect the cost through the Paypal 'Donation' scheme, then, if anone from the ACO reads this (or similar threads) thay can see that it's obvious that there is no 'commercial enterprise' being undertaked in their camp-sites. This would also give you the option of creating three Paypal donate buttons, one for €6.00, one for €10.00 (inc. the charity donation) and a blank one where people could donate more if they wished (allowing you to distribute it between costs and charity appropriately) .... ? Just a thought and would save you handling heaps of cash too.

Thanks all for your kind answers and suggestions, keep 'em coming!

This is why we want the auction to be after the three-hour gig by Flying Baguettes and JPC Band. Over the last two years the peak has been between 10.30 and 12.00, so if we start the auction about 10.30 we should have plenty of people. Also, both bands could remove their gear to make space for Vinnies Vice in the back ground. Might even be an idea to give the aution a 10 minute break for Vinnies Vice to do their sound check, to come back with the most valuable items before VV's gig starts...

Great idea, I presume Marius can look into this.

I think the problem with this would be How would DfH get their cut?  If the Paypal 'donation' scheme is similar to the 'Just Giving' one, the mone would go directly to the named charity(ies).

Whatever, I am OK for the purchase of the wrist bands with the extra for charity.  My group sponsored a couple of barrells this year, so the cost is similar.

One question - why post them??  Money could be collected up front, and the bands handed out at LM.  All this would need is a list of people who have paid, and their name crossed off when handed a band.  This would save a lot of time, effort and cash!

Del

Thanks for all the suggestions so far.

I think that the most important thing we need to do is to make it visible to outsiders that we are having a private party. Best way to do this is with T-shirts specially made. However, as Paddy said, if mother nature puts on a tantrum again, people start wearing other items of clothing, hiding the shirt from view. If everyone weares the same shirt, it becomes obvious to outsiders (freeloaders) that it is a private party and then everyone wearing shirts can tell people without shirts to sod off, in the best way possible of course ;D

Another downside, shirts would be more expensive to produce and thus purchase. Maybe Hats are an idea?

Unfortunately I'm not coming next year :( but I will be back for '09 (Stop groaning you lot!!).

I am happy to pay towards attending the party/drinking of beer, for everything that is arranged for the friday a contribution is such a small thing to ask.

I also like Piglets idea of pre-listing what is available for the auction, this may not stop last minute additions, but for next year I would like to enter a sealed bid for an item or 2.

More than happy to buy a wristband or whatever method is easiest for DfH to administer.  

I suppose there will always be people dropping by for a free beer and it would be a shame to have too much in the way of "security" checking who is in and who is out.  Apart from anything else no fun for the people who are having to try to check who is coming in.

Shutting the bar for a while seems the easiest way to clear out the chancers - and it doesnt do any harm to give everyone including the barmen a break - tho not sure how this would work if people have bought a wristband they might think they are entitled to keep drinking!  

I did over hear someone (a CA member too!) last year saying to a group of his mates not to worry that they didnt have wristbands because he had sponsored a barrel so they could all comes as his "guests" and drink free anyway.  Prob not exactly what was intended!   ::).

Its a tricky one eh!

F

I wondered about hats but they are pretty transferable - so if a group have bought one they could swap it between them whereas it's trickier to do that with shirts.

Being a nightclubber of the 80's what about using an old fashioned hand stamp? 

Orange ink of course.

How about the lion?

Then I'd rather get that special blanc ink for a stamp on the cheek , and an ultra violet light at the bar. Makes life easier for the people behind the bar.
Having a stamp made costs next to nothing. And like Nick says, a lion of course! ;D

You want free beer, you wear the shirt come rain or shine  :police:

I'd be happy, indeed privileged, to wear an orange shirt but as previously mentioned cost might be a factor. Although if you can't be bothered to pay for a shirt then piss off and drink your own warm beer.

It's the free aspect that seems to cause most problems. A lot of unknown people turn up asking how much is the beer and when told it's not for sale they call their mates over to the "free bar"

If there's a fire lane bang through the middle again then it makes it impossible to police effectively, maybe think about putting the bar where it can be more easily roped off? I'm thinking razor wire and gun turrets  ;D

I'll be travelling in a separate group from JPC next year so more than happy to sponsor a few barrels on behalf of our group.

My things have moved on from my clubbing days  ;D   Could you then have someone wandering around with a UV light checking people?  It might act as a decent deterrent to the freeloaders?   

 I love the idea of the lion - I hope it doesn't mean that when the sun shines we'll all get a nice permanent lion mark on our cheeks  ;D

No, the donation scheme can also go to the 'vendor' - I use the 'Donate Now' button on a website I run so that the members can donate towards the costs of hosting etc. we have various buttons (on which we set the price) and a blank one (where the member chooses what they want to donate). It's no different to a 'buy it now' button, but say's donate on it. Paypal take their standard cut and the rest goes to our account and used for running the site, the important bit is that throughout the process we are not asking them to 'buy' membership but 'donate' to the running costs, that way we are not a commercial enterprise etc.

More than happy to pay for wristband & extra to charity. I had a great time last year, although I missed the Auction (sleeping after Friday afternoon drinking session. Schoolboy error I know!)

As mentioned before, this is your party, and I am happy to do whatever you decide works best. However I love the idea of the ultra violet lion stamp on your cheek!

Slightly off topic I know, but I would be happy to work on the bar for an hour or so during the evening. Your guys worked very hard, and deserve a break. If enough CA members offer the same, we could maybe give your staff a break for an hour, and run it on your behalf as a thank you for your efforts.

that would be great, ht!

Willing to give a hand on the bar next year, think I did 10min this year.

Another idea for identifying people for the Friday night party, simple - What about a plastic (for safety) mug, marked up with the correct logo, could be collector item in years to come. - Also helps with any clearing up the next day.

But very simple to handle gate crashers, no mug, no beer - you can even get glow in the dark mugs a then you can see them all night.

Or even a ORANGE mug. (http://brandinnovators.logomall.com/media/images/prodimgs/4220000/4226067.jpg)

Went to beer fetival in Portland Oregon, this year, they sold the mugs and that was the only way served the beer, agin with the correct tokens.

They had ones that changed colour once they pour beer in, which look good.

Money plus charity contribution before the event, with collection of bands/id's when at LM, seems the most sensible, keeps the amount of cash on site down, postage costs at zero, and cannot be mistaken by the ACO as a commercial exercise.

Fairer than sponsering a barrel, for the smaller groups of people.

However you id the contributers, I would not let them know how, till they collect it at LM, unless it's very unique, otherwise the freeloaders will come prepared.

UV idea good, as are the unique mugs, which would solve the problem of someone going to the bar to get drinks for a few people. 

I'm sure there is enough CA's (I'm one) who would be willing to take a turn behind the bar to give the DfH guys and girls a break, there are so many of us, a 1/2 hour stint, (if there are enough volunteers) would probably be sufficient, although you might want DfH there towards the end on the evening :)

 

Nopanic: I think tokens would be a little over the top for us ;D

Anything can be copied, except for a t-shirt (if we keep the design a secret). It sounds more and more tempting to me. Bloody risk the weather! 8)

Sorry was not suggesting tokens, just mentioned that how they did it over there. Agree tokens would be a nightmare.

Just the mug could be a good idea, just checked, you can get a colour change mug - goes orange went beer poured in.

Paddy.

Your last post got me thinking.

Over the top.

So, if it pisses down, you wear the T shirt over your waterproof.

I still want a UV lion on my forehead though.

How about orange falling over trousers  ;D ;D

Why is that I read it as " Wet T shirt night"  ;D

Tshirts are a good idea and many of us buy them anyway from you guys.

I do think if it's like last year you'll end up with everyone wearing coats and jumpers over their tshirts. 

You can always get some some branded cheap ponchos in case of rain  ;D

I quite like the plastic beer glass theory but it's quite easy to separate someone from their glass and it be misused and it might be a bit of a pain for the guys pouring the beer? 

Tricky one.....

I do agree that whatever you go for you should keep the final design very quiet until arrival.   

Of course the Zarses are happy to contribute towards costs and indeed we sponsored a barrel last year which I'm fairly sure we drank about six times over! BTW, I'm sure I remember Maruis keeping a pretty tight check on who'd paid for what and when. Maybe he later got staggeringly drunk, the record keeping went all to pieces and he went mad and decided to cut off his pony tail or something equally ridiculous!  ;) who knows...

Anyway, I think the suggested "pay in advance" for a wristband concept has some inherent design flaws ( and you probably know about these).


1. - Crowd control. How do you know precisely who the wrist bands are going too or that they won't be passed on to someone else who may be a less than desireable invitee? Lets say, just as a "for example" a group who we know (such as The Twaits etc) order thirty bands. How can you be sure who they'd bring along if they'd over-ordered and had to sell some to recoup their money? You could end up with some Houx Annexe ruffians (and I mean the roundabout tossers, not the Cobrateers!) with supa-soakers and a bad attitude. I dare say we could all put them in their place if we had too, but none the less it would spoil the unique freedom and fun loving Dutch atmosphere that we all appreciate so much.

2. Legal liability aspects - you start charging in advance and you become a public event (regardless of the charity aspect). This calls into question the limits of liability. Let's say a drunkard tumbles off the scaffolding and breaks his neck. His wife, who may not have been that keen on his attendence at LM anyway decides to sue DfH. A whole word of grief for you guys there...

3. Licencing - Dunno about this but is an event licence requitred in France?


Just my thoughts anyway. Sorry to be the voice of doom here but please consider them before changing a sucessful formula.

re: liability or an event licence, all good points Andy makes and made me think, would you need them if 'we all' were a just group of friends (as is the case) - do wen need a licence if we have a BBQ at home and tell our friends to bring a bottle - is the DfH Friday 'party' any different leagally? I have no idea, Paddy et al are just asking their friends to help contribute to the BBQ/party as they can source  and transport the party essentials (beer and music) easier and cheaper than the rest of the 'group of friends' could.

JDS & myself think alike here.

Wrist bands & T shirts are easily covered up if the weather turns.  And, groups may want to wear their own team shirts to be recognised by. So, how about necklesses/neckbands. Can be easily worn outside clothing or remain visable. Just a thought. A 'special' neckless I would wear permanently, even start a collection if this idea is continued.

Regarding attendee numbers, you could limit advance 'over the top' booking number to 10/12. Should additional numbers be required by the 'teams/groups', the team organiser must apply seperately with names etc.

BTW (1), I'm prepared to assist in the bar work as I do it the sailing club and give you guys a rest.

BTW (2) guys, what a brilliant party this year. Me any my crew (Team Y Draigg Gogh- Team Red Dragon) will be back to enjoy your very special hospitality.

What about a VIP DfH pass hung round the neck, like JP did for his crews bash 3 years ago?

Presumably the idea is to have something that cant be passed from one person to another like last years wristbands once they were fixed on? 

Then of course what happens about  someone with a wristband asking for "two beers" - would you only be able to get one glass at a time? 

I am glad I dont have to organise it!

F

Hang 2 passes round your neck for 2 beers?

Presumably most people who would get a pass are in groups that would all qualify for the event, freeloaders tend to be strangers who just wander in, so wouldn't have one pass between them.

I 'm also glad I'm not organising it, but still willing to help. How about you Fran, you would be great serving behind the bar.

I do'nt think people took the p*ss when ordering beers, well may be a few.

But when I helped on the bar, while someone ( ::) ) went for a wee break  ;D

The two guys, who ordered beers. One asked for 7 x beers and one asked for 8 x beers!

Thats why when Tom got to the bar and asked for 1 beer he got servered straight away, also I  like Tom.  ;D as he was having a bad day as well  ;)

Of course I have done lots of bar work in my time Barry - was even a licensee for a few years.  I am always happy to help out if needed (esp as there is no adding up at the DfH bar) !!! :)

No, I ought to thank you for that. Waiver will be included with whatever we will send ;D
Just remember this warning at the last edition: http://gallery.drinkingforholland.com/main.php/v/LM2007/il+Cavallino/DSC_3937.JPG.html

As long as the entrance 'things' (wrist band, cap, shirt, whatever wel will come up with) are pre-sold and sent before setting off for La Sarthe, I don't think the ACO can hurt us. They cannot see any money exchanging hands, and so officially it's one big party. And to be honest, as long as there is no profit involved I think we will be safe.


Yes, it takes a lot of organising, grief and stress. But I will never forget climbing on the scaffolding in '06 seeing all of you standing there. Just never realised untill then what we achieved, and it was a great feeling I tell you. That feeling is the drive to do it again every year. Not nesceserily bigger, but most definitely better!

Firstly Chaps thanks for the great hospitality and sore heads at this years parties.
I am willing to go with whatever works best for you guys, causes minimum hasle, covers your costs and raises cash for charity. I think optional tee shirts would be good, the cost could include an addtional amount for beer and a charity donation, or a wrist band with the same beer and charity contribution amount.

My thoughts exactly. It's always a hassle, and sometimes it gives you some bad mouthing at home, but the the week of hanging around with Hollands and British finest makes it all worth it. :)

Myself and lady PP are happy to go with what ever comes about. Sure DFH and The Brethren will come to an agreement so all are happy.
I think a charity contribution from all is great, so its not just those winning an auction (if there is one?)item that donate.
With regards to laws and licences for events in France.... not sure what some of the security crew we saw this year would do if they saw money changing hands.... some of them looked like jolly unsavoury characters.

Although I didn't make it to the party this year, I still coughed up for the keg I promised to sponsor. Hope you all enjoyed drinking it!!!!!!!! ;)

From what I understand, the event is well attended by several groups, many of who have at least a passing aquaintance with other groups attending. I think if there was a general understanding to be on the lookout for free loaders combined with wristbands, that would be adequate.
It can't be that difficult to roll up your sleeve to display your wristband when you order your beer!

Whatever happens, hope it all works out well in '08.

Thanks DfH.

Well, if we are going to opt for T-shirts, there will be inevitable additional costs. If we go for a cheaper quality and have an amount of somewhere 300 pieces, the price should be really low.
I also see the majority is voting for a surcharge for charity, so I guess that will have a go ahead as well.

Haven't got the prices from my supplier yet, but I'm counting on €5 a piece, add to that the contribution to the party of €5. Sounds logic to make the surcharge for charity the same €5. Effectively this would mean the evening would cost €15, or £10 each. More than I stated in my opening post.

On the positive side; you would have a souvenir of the evening, and I can't wait to see 300 people gathered together all wearing the same shirt ;)

Be careful, you'll be accused of starting a fashion trend .....  ;D :o

I think it would definitely be worth getting some media over ;D

I am thinking about it more and more and T-shirts do sound best to me! It will look amazing, they will not be for sale, but are a gift for contributing to the costs of the party and raise money for charity. If we play our cards right, we could have some newspaper coverage as well, cause in a sense we are organizing a big charity party, with all the proceeds (minus costs) will go to charity.

We could even call it the drinking for holland charity party. Only people contributing (wearing a tshirt) are welcome. Even if it does rain, you could wear it over your raingear, it will get wet, but who cares. The most important thing is that you are recognisable as a group and freeloaders will think twice about crashing the party. Also to keep a check on who is coming, we can ask people to pick up their shirt personally, sending out gives people time to copy it and that is something we have to prevent.

I know I am a bit late coming in on this thread, I have to say I am willing to go with the final agreement as there have been some good ideas shared.  I have read all the options and you are all looking for the same goal.
I tried to police the bar to an extent of failure this year as there were a lot trying it on free loading.
By the way did I say thanks for the taxi home after the friday party.

Excellent team work has evolved here and as part of a big LM family that we all are we want what is best for all and this includes keeping it simple but effective and fun.
Good luck Paddy Marius and all you at DFH, I will really miss the real consultation banter meeting at the CA/DFH bash.

You'll be missed too Andy, all the special beers were quite nice and we had a great laugh!
You got some serious catching up to do in 2008! ;D

I agree, the t-shirt thingie will be amazing, can you imagine the view of it? everybody wearing the shirts around the circuit afterwards, it would be so cool, I am getting thirsty already :D

hi all..

been away for my op.. and get back and get another bloody DVT in my leg.. so not been able to keep up to speed with CA..

i have read all your threads and think that you really need some sort of ID..what ever you come up with i am for.. as due to buying my house in france i missed last year.. but not 2008!!

keep up the good work DFH ;D

Is Andy... the Andy that was on the same ferry as Myself and Perdu??????

Oh, and due to the obscene costs of flights to Australia just before Crimbo, Looks like Lady PP and I will be attending the DFH bash. £1800 is just rude for the same flight that costs about £600 ish in March. Better to be drunk in Holland than skint in oz and wishing one had gone to holland. Hurrah

As last year:

Can I have an "Artiste" band please?  I'd like to feel special...

Even if it is Langtall issuing it with a black marker.....

Fagey,

Glad you're back in the world of the living dead. Sorry I missed the opportunity in Southampton.

Now, where in France are you looking to buy?

Jerry

Your Lordship,

Did we go to the skool?

This is the Andy, you probably recognise him ;D

(http://forum.drinkingforholland.com/images/avatars/125691368456ae255b865d.jpg)

Cheer Paddy! You have resurected my identity crisis here man.

Yes My Lord, I am the said Andy who met Perdu and yourself on the ferry this year. Not forgetting the touring route to LM!  ???

hi jerry,

i have bought my house.. its in a place called st vran, near merdrignac on the cote d'amour border in the centre of brittany.. and its great!

Sorry for stumbling back on topic ;D

I'd prefer hats instead of t-shirts as a proof-of-payment for the DFH Friday party. My reasons:

- I've already just too many LM t-shirts and it's getting more each year. Besides our own annual LeMansZone t-shirt I also buy the annual CA shirt, then another one for the party...really?

- 100+ people all wearing the same hat will also make a pretty impressive sight - and also easy enough to sort out for the people who serve beer

- costumes like the legendary Team Zarse dresses will be difficult if everyone has to wear a t-shirt, I would miss that!

Cheers and a nice start of the week to everybody

Werner

Hmmm, we just decided it is going to be T-shirts ???

Its the DfH party at the DfH bar in the DfH camp - seems to me that you can decide what you want and what gives you the best security without aggravation!!   ;D

(It wont do the boys any harm to stay out of their dresses just for one night anyway!!!)

F

I wouldn't  ;)

Don't worry, my posting is just one of many opinions about this. T-shirt, hat, socks, whatever, I'll buy it and come on Friday anyway ;D ;D ;D

Sounds good idea lads.

Paypal ??

For us the item is that everybody couldt recognise who is suposed to be at the party and who is not.
And for the freeloaders to stay out when they see the don't fitt in.
Its not only serving at the bar but also to keep them of the camp site at all. So every participant can keep an eye out for freeloaders instead of putting extra people on duty to do so.

The freeloaders with thier own boost get drunk as well and may cause problems we don't wont.

And who would not recognise Team Zarse. They always fit in.



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Hi Knetter, I think everyone will be happy with the 'committee' decision on this. 'No shirt - No drink'.

With payment before LM 08, this would alleviate several problems. All 'us teams' have to do is nominate a collection of the shirts at MB.

Based on this year, please put me down for 15 (12 large, 3 medium) that will be the minimum. Any larger I'll let you know hopefully well in advance.

Please let me the final costs in due course.

Team Y Ddraig Gogh thoroughly enjoyed this and looking forward to next. I'll let the guys & dolls know the requirements.

As mentioned in an earlier email.  I'm happy to work the bar for an hour or so as I do at my sailing club as head barman.

Same with me guys, I've worked for 5 years in a bar when I was a university student. Can drink and serve beer at the same time ;D ;D ;D

Please do NOT order anything in this topic. No decisions have been finalized, so we cannot keep track of any pre-orders yet.

Expect some final decisions after the November Rotterdam meeting, please...

Like Paddy said, we will let all of you know in due course what the deal will be!

Wise words indeed, and you won't get an argument from me, Paddy calls the shots.
In fact, I can't help noticing that Fran seems to be very wise on most issues, and should be known, I'd say, as The Wise One.
H

Done (http://www.sebringfans.com/forums/Smileys/SFBigSet/afro.gif)

Am I to assume that Team Zarse are not going to be allowed a fancy dress exemption this year?

If so, it's a great shame. Following the very disappointing non-appearance of the Team Zarse pantomime horse this year, one of our number, who'll remain nameless, has gone to great lengths in getting prepared for next year.....

Are you expecring to be sober enough to make a decision ;)

Aww shucks!!    ;D

BigH showing himself to be a man of great perception yet again and thanks Steve!

F

My guess is there are alway exceptions to the "rules" ;)



Hmm, yes. Maybe you're right ;D
Last year we had some sort of mini-meeting at the November meeting on the Sunday morning, lots was discussed then. We should be okay...

Yeah, lot's was discussed and forgotten ;D

Being our 2nd year (2007) last year, it was the first time i'd been to the dfH friday night gig. I was given a ticket through a friend in our group, (which in fairness cost me nothing) however, as per every party me and the lads attend, we always make sure we never turn up empty handed. So the delivery of extra beer was more than well received by those who aquaintence we made.

Including those who wanted to play for 'pink slips' on the table football!!! - '07 civic for a '03 911 - your call!!!!!

I have no objection for paying for the night this year (if i'm invited), even it was more than suggested to pay for the band, vinnies vice were outstanding, if not a donation to named charities is a good call.

Big up for dfH and the effort made at LM.

PS. LM wouldn't be the same without CA, dfH or similar groups.

I don't know how you managed to be given a ticket as there weren't tickets for 2007 (or even 2006)

the wise one huh?


too blooming right

never was an accolade so well deserved, wear it with pride Fran, though I expect you will use the usual humility!

Paddy et al (al? who he?)

Whatever you choose to do at your party is OK with me and the Sprite And Midget Contingent of CA (OK I admit it I haven't asked them but I'm fatter than they are!)

Tee shirts whatever, socks? Socks what a great idea orange as you like and totally unlikely to be picked on  by the "usual parasites" by accident as a get ya in idea...

We were happy to bung a barrel at this years great bash and we used our about to become legendary "Trundle Bunny" to drag along some spares and the Shampoo reserve as necessary. The wrist bands were good but I did see beer being dispensed without due reference to sleeves being lifted, so maybe socks wouldn't work (where did I leave that drawing board?)

I will be (temporarily*) proud to wear whatever symbol is necessary to enjoy your company next year.

*orange clashes with my skin colouring, but under sodium lighting if even that who notices...?

bill (proud to become a temporary dutchie for the event)

When i said ticket, i meant wristband - sorry piglet.

If the wristband didn't work so well, why not have a special neckband that has to be worn to get the drinks. That way it's easily on display?

iluminated neck bands have already been brought up as an idea by JPC, I think that would be better then wrist bands

so yes- we are thinking about those two options: shirt or neck band, or both! ;D

The shirts are class, a definite must for the LM traveller.

Only minor about the shirt is that, for most people here, it's another shirt for on the large pile. Most of us are starting to get too many shirts, I can go to Le Mans for three weeks and wear another shirt every day :-\

On the other side, it would be a nice souvenir of the night - and a great sight to see 300+ people in the same shirt! 8)

Or one shirt with 300 on it ;D

I think whatever you go for it needs to be non-transferable from person to person otherwise you'll just get a group of freeloaders who've got hold of one neckband (or whatever) just transferring it from one person to another. 

Unless you're very confident of stopping freeloaders getting in the gate? 

I'm still hesitating to stop non-participants getting in, even if they bring their own drinks. Frankly I'm not sure if we'd even be allowed to do so. But if we all wear the same shirt, those who get in for free and cause trouble will be very easy to spot. That's the big plus on all wearing the same shirt. A neckless or wristband just wouldn't do in that case :-\

Not quite ALL the same....remember The Wise One will want a V-neck   ::) ::) ::)

Del

Not to worry, I'll bring a pair of scissors ;)

sounds good to me Paddy - your the boss after all!

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I could never do this without help of the DfH guys, and the place would be rather empty without Club Arnage...

And me please...it's a breast thing  ;D

 If you got it - flaunt it!!!  ;D

Are we talking t-shirts here.....Fran?

 :-X - please see Piglets earlier comment!

I dunno, you women!!!!!!!!!

LOL Leftie - right back at you men!!  :-*

I've never minded you women flaunting them, perhaps it's a male thing