Title: USGP Gone
Post by: chop456 on July 12, 2007, 06:46:45 pm
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Dear USGP Fan:
I want to thank you for your patience and understanding as the Indianapolis
Motor Speedway has worked toward securing a Formula One event in 2008 and beyond.
After my recent meetings with Formula One Ltd. CEO Bernie Ecclestone, we have
mutually agreed to not schedule Formula One racing at Indianapolis in 2008.
It has been a pleasure having the United States Grand Prix at Indianapolis, and
I hope that as we approach our Centennial Era at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway,
an opportunity might present itself that would allow its return.
I would like to take this time to thank you for your support of Formula One and
the Indianapolis Motor Speedway over the past eight years.
Although the Indianapolis Motor Speedway will not be hosting a Formula One race
in 2008, we are always looking to the future. With that in mind, we will have a
historic motorsports announcement at 3:30 p.m. ET Monday, July 16. I want to
strongly encourage you to log on to http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com to
view this special event.
On behalf of the Hulman-George family and the staff at the Indianapolis Motor
Speedway, thank you again for your patience and understanding, and I hope that
you consider attending one of our events in 2008.
If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to give us a call at
(800) 822–INDY or (317) 492–6700 if we can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Tony George
I want to thank you for your patience and understanding as the Indianapolis
Motor Speedway has worked toward securing a Formula One event in 2008 and beyond.
After my recent meetings with Formula One Ltd. CEO Bernie Ecclestone, we have
mutually agreed to not schedule Formula One racing at Indianapolis in 2008.
It has been a pleasure having the United States Grand Prix at Indianapolis, and
I hope that as we approach our Centennial Era at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway,
an opportunity might present itself that would allow its return.
I would like to take this time to thank you for your support of Formula One and
the Indianapolis Motor Speedway over the past eight years.
Although the Indianapolis Motor Speedway will not be hosting a Formula One race
in 2008, we are always looking to the future. With that in mind, we will have a
historic motorsports announcement at 3:30 p.m. ET Monday, July 16. I want to
strongly encourage you to log on to http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com to
view this special event.
On behalf of the Hulman-George family and the staff at the Indianapolis Motor
Speedway, thank you again for your patience and understanding, and I hope that
you consider attending one of our events in 2008.
If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to give us a call at
(800) 822–INDY or (317) 492–6700 if we can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Tony George
So much for a $60 F1 race in my backyard. This is what happens when you have two megalomaniacs at the bargaining table, one being a blithering idiot.
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Paddy_NL on July 12, 2007, 07:19:09 pm
ufck :-\
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: JDS on July 12, 2007, 07:38:29 pm
I'll bet it was an easy one to drop to shoe-in another far east event where thay have less issues over what sponsorship is on the cars etc. I've never been but is it well attended? Indy can hold heaps of spectators so if it was 'looking empty' BE may have tried pulling it on 'image' grounds ????
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Piglet on July 12, 2007, 08:24:09 pm
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After my recent meetings with Formula One Ltd. CEO Bernie Ecclestone, we have
mutually agreed to not schedule Formula One racing at Indianapolis in 2008.
mutually agreed to not schedule Formula One racing at Indianapolis in 2008.
Do we think this is legit? AFAIK the correct entity should be Formula One Administration (FOA) or Formula One Management (FOM)?
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: garyfrogeye on July 12, 2007, 08:37:08 pm
I heard it on the News tonight as well.
Though I can't say that I'm really bothered about it anyway.
Though I can't say that I'm really bothered about it anyway.
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Piglet on July 12, 2007, 08:53:44 pm
It's on Crash.net so I guess its legit.
I'm not entirely surprised, too much pressure for new fly away rounds for some of the rounds that are perceived as less successful to continue
I'm not entirely surprised, too much pressure for new fly away rounds for some of the rounds that are perceived as less successful to continue
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Boorish Grobian on July 12, 2007, 09:40:47 pm
Not surprised at all, after the tire fiasco a few years ago I thought the race was on thin ice. With the exception of the first year, I don't think it ever drew the attendace they anticipated. I won't really miss it, crappy circuit.
Perhaps Bernie's cronies will finally come to their senses and put the race back at a proper road racing venue and stop dicking around with temporary street circuits or combination oval/road course layouts. The only way they'll draw a big crowd is to move it to a real road course, US F1 fans won't be dupped into watching F1 cars scrabble around a shitty little street course.
Looks like MotoGP is on the cards for the Speedway though.
Fax
Perhaps Bernie's cronies will finally come to their senses and put the race back at a proper road racing venue and stop dicking around with temporary street circuits or combination oval/road course layouts. The only way they'll draw a big crowd is to move it to a real road course, US F1 fans won't be dupped into watching F1 cars scrabble around a shitty little street course.
Looks like MotoGP is on the cards for the Speedway though.
Fax
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Paddy_NL on July 12, 2007, 10:59:33 pm
Actually WHY does Bernie constantly let circuits be rebuilt for millions and then depart forever after two/three tries? ???
I bet Spa will be out after 2009 :-\
I bet Spa will be out after 2009 :-\
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Rusty on July 13, 2007, 01:11:46 am
Indy was always a sh*t idea all day long, Bernie got his wad and that was that. He's the greatest con artist we've seen for years filling his pockets with all the other suckers money.
Maxwell did a great job, Brown has done better raping the pensions but Ecclescakes stands on his own bar non. He's a money grabbing shortarsed c**t, and he doesn't give a f**k, cos he has f**k*ng BILLIONS
The upside is that the octagarian Ecclestone will die sooner than we do the, freeking f**k*ng migdet c**t. He needs to buy a boat from a close (dodgy) friend just as Maxwell and do the honourable thing and SHOVE THAT BOAT RIGHT UP HIS TIGHT FECKING ARSE.
I bet his missus is wishing the day that he f**k*ng dies so that she can go shopping in ASDA rather than H A Rods
Blah
Maxwell did a great job, Brown has done better raping the pensions but Ecclescakes stands on his own bar non. He's a money grabbing shortarsed c**t, and he doesn't give a f**k, cos he has f**k*ng BILLIONS
The upside is that the octagarian Ecclestone will die sooner than we do the, freeking f**k*ng migdet c**t. He needs to buy a boat from a close (dodgy) friend just as Maxwell and do the honourable thing and SHOVE THAT BOAT RIGHT UP HIS TIGHT FECKING ARSE.
I bet his missus is wishing the day that he f**k*ng dies so that she can go shopping in ASDA rather than H A Rods
Blah
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Leftie on July 13, 2007, 01:17:43 am
Not surprised at all, after the tire fiasco a few years ago I thought the race was on thin ice. With the exception of the first year, I don't think it ever drew the attendace they anticipated. I won't really miss it, crappy circuit.
Perhaps Bernie's cronies will finally come to their senses and put the race back at a proper road racing venue and stop dicking around with temporary street circuits or combination oval/road course layouts. The only way they'll draw a big crowd is to move it to a real road course, US F1 fans won't be dupped into watching F1 cars scrabble around a shitty little street course.
Looks like MotoGP is on the cards for the Speedway though.
Fax
Perhaps Bernie's cronies will finally come to their senses and put the race back at a proper road racing venue and stop dicking around with temporary street circuits or combination oval/road course layouts. The only way they'll draw a big crowd is to move it to a real road course, US F1 fans won't be dupped into watching F1 cars scrabble around a shitty little street course.
Looks like MotoGP is on the cards for the Speedway though.
Fax
Bring back Watkins Glen.
Jerry
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on July 13, 2007, 01:41:16 am
Fine words Russ.... keep going!! I personally hate the horrid little cnut too, as does Lady PP and her mother. they were hoping for a Tasmanian GP but bernie said that dirt roads were not suitable and all cities were too small and full of retards/criminals.
he will be tarred and feathered if he shows his weasley face in hobart... let alone smithdon! (look it up on google earth....)
PP
he will be tarred and feathered if he shows his weasley face in hobart... let alone smithdon! (look it up on google earth....)
PP
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Christopher on July 13, 2007, 08:10:01 am
Indy was always a sh*t idea all day long, Bernie got his wad and that was that. He's the greatest con artist we've seen for years filling his pockets with all the other suckers money.
Maxwell did a great job, Brown has done better raping the pensions but Ecclescakes stands on his own bar non. He's a money grabbing shortarsed c**t, and he doesn't give a f**k, cos he has f**k*ng BILLIONS
The upside is that the octagarian Ecclestone will die sooner than we do the, freeking f**k*ng migdet c**t. He needs to buy a boat from a close (dodgy) friend just as Maxwell and do the honourable thing and SHOVE THAT BOAT RIGHT UP HIS TIGHT FECKING ARSE.
I bet his missus is wishing the day that he f**k*ng dies so that she can go shopping in ASDA rather than H A Rods
Blah
Maxwell did a great job, Brown has done better raping the pensions but Ecclescakes stands on his own bar non. He's a money grabbing shortarsed c**t, and he doesn't give a f**k, cos he has f**k*ng BILLIONS
The upside is that the octagarian Ecclestone will die sooner than we do the, freeking f**k*ng migdet c**t. He needs to buy a boat from a close (dodgy) friend just as Maxwell and do the honourable thing and SHOVE THAT BOAT RIGHT UP HIS TIGHT FECKING ARSE.
I bet his missus is wishing the day that he f**k*ng dies so that she can go shopping in ASDA rather than H A Rods
Blah
BE not on the christmas card list then?
Top rant!
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: fagey on July 13, 2007, 09:01:23 am
so you miss out on formula bore.. dont worry you have something better to watch in its anniversary year.. MOTO GP!!
the boys are coming to play as the first ever race there was on two wheels..
You will watch mad overtaking on ultra fast and loud bikes ;D
the boys are coming to play as the first ever race there was on two wheels..
You will watch mad overtaking on ultra fast and loud bikes ;D
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: JDS on July 13, 2007, 09:13:05 am
I bet Spa will be out after 2009 :-\
Doesn't Bernie own Spa or am I loosing it ??? Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: chop456 on July 13, 2007, 09:39:16 am
^ No. Spa was originally at risk because of tobacco advertising. Bernie owns Paul Ricard, IIRC.
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: JDS on July 13, 2007, 09:45:51 am
Yes, I knew he owned PR, it's just for some reason my Friday morning brain was telling me he owned Spa too .... oh well, obviously not enough bacon sarnie's this morning, best go and stock up .... ;D
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Piglet on July 13, 2007, 09:48:55 am
I don't know whether its true but the suggestion is that BCE does have some involvment in Spa.
The short term contract situation is I understand, the reason that the BRDC don't carry out the works at Silverstone to upgrade the pits/paddock complex. Why spend £40million when the short man might take the contract away in three years - justify that to your investors!!
The short term contract situation is I understand, the reason that the BRDC don't carry out the works at Silverstone to upgrade the pits/paddock complex. Why spend £40million when the short man might take the contract away in three years - justify that to your investors!!
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Gordonwr on July 13, 2007, 09:54:28 am
Yes, I knew he owned PR, it's just for some reason my Friday morning brain was telling me he owned Spa too .... oh well, obviously not enough bacon sarnie's this morning, best go and stock up .... ;D
I do know that he owns a large amount of land alongside the circuit, but not sure how much.Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: mgmark on July 13, 2007, 10:56:34 am
Indy was always a sh*t idea all day long, Bernie got his wad and that was that. He's the greatest con artist we've seen for years filling his pockets with all the other suckers money.
Maxwell did a great job, Brown has done better raping the pensions but Ecclescakes stands on his own bar non. He's a money grabbing shortarsed c**t, and he doesn't give a f**k, cos he has f**k*ng BILLIONS
The upside is that the octagarian Ecclestone will die sooner than we do the, freeking f**k*ng migdet c**t. He needs to buy a boat from a close (dodgy) friend just as Maxwell and do the honourable thing and SHOVE THAT BOAT RIGHT UP HIS TIGHT FECKING ARSE.
I bet his missus is wishing the day that he f**k*ng dies so that she can go shopping in ASDA rather than H A Rods
Blah
Maxwell did a great job, Brown has done better raping the pensions but Ecclescakes stands on his own bar non. He's a money grabbing shortarsed c**t, and he doesn't give a f**k, cos he has f**k*ng BILLIONS
The upside is that the octagarian Ecclestone will die sooner than we do the, freeking f**k*ng migdet c**t. He needs to buy a boat from a close (dodgy) friend just as Maxwell and do the honourable thing and SHOVE THAT BOAT RIGHT UP HIS TIGHT FECKING ARSE.
I bet his missus is wishing the day that he f**k*ng dies so that she can go shopping in ASDA rather than H A Rods
Blah
Rusty,
I do wish that you would get off the fence and tell us what you really think........ ;)
MG Mark
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Chrisgr31 on July 13, 2007, 11:01:39 am
Doesn't Bernies company promote the Spa race? So he does have an involvement in it.
Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't the Indy race always had a bit of excitement in it, other than the year of the tyre issue?
However the dropping of Indy does make Silverstone a bit safer, and also means that there shouldn;t be an F1 race on the Le Mans weekend.
Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't the Indy race always had a bit of excitement in it, other than the year of the tyre issue?
However the dropping of Indy does make Silverstone a bit safer, and also means that there shouldn;t be an F1 race on the Le Mans weekend.
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: chop456 on July 13, 2007, 11:12:29 am
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In Belgium a law was passed in 1997 banning all tobacco advertising and sponsorship from 1 January 1999 (including F1 sponsorship). Since January 1997, there have been five attempts in the Belgian parliament (between November 1997 and December 2002) to overturn the law, which all failed. However, another attempt last July was successful for the F1 lobby and resulted in a delay of the enforcement of the ban on tobacco sponsorship of international events such as F1 until July 2005. One characteristic of the Belgian Grand Prix is that the organiser is Ecclestone. He controls the company Spa Activités, which is mandated by F1’s governing body, Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA), to organise the Belgian Grand Prix in Spa Francorchamps.
The Ecclestone principle is simple: the profits for organising the Belgian Grand Prix are for Ecclestone, and the costs for maintaining the circuit are for the government of the Walloon region. Since 1977 the Walloon region invested some €44 million (US$50 million) in the circuit at Francorchamps. It may be prestigious to organise a Grand Prix, but it is a myth to believe that it is an economic success story for the region (at least in Belgium).
The Ecclestone principle is simple: the profits for organising the Belgian Grand Prix are for Ecclestone, and the costs for maintaining the circuit are for the government of the Walloon region. Since 1977 the Walloon region invested some €44 million (US$50 million) in the circuit at Francorchamps. It may be prestigious to organise a Grand Prix, but it is a myth to believe that it is an economic success story for the region (at least in Belgium).
Huh. As with most other things, I was unaware of that.
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: JDS on July 13, 2007, 11:36:00 am
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.... The Ecclestone principle is simple: the profits for organising the Belgian Grand Prix are for Ecclestone, and the costs for maintaining the circuit are for the government of the Walloon region ....
Only Ecclestone could get away with such a move as that ;D
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Christopher on July 13, 2007, 01:13:04 pm
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.... The Ecclestone principle is simple: the profits for organising the Belgian Grand Prix are for Ecclestone, and the costs for maintaining the circuit are for the government of the Walloon region ....
Only Ecclestone could get away with such a move as that ;D
It just sums up BE really. His only focus is on the money, be it from the circuit or the TV.
I cannot think of any act by him that could have been seen as primarily benficial to the sport, the teams or the fans.
Because of his wants and greed all others involved suffer and literally pay the price. (that is the picture we see of him, I cannot imagine it being so far from the truth).
I think the reason he gives Silverstone so much grief is becasue he is still pi$$ed off that the BRDC would not sell the circuit to him.
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: nickliv on July 13, 2007, 01:45:43 pm
F1 sometimes seems like tag team wrestling, but with cars. And not many fat men in leotards. It all seems to be a bit too stage managed.
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Lorry on July 13, 2007, 03:44:42 pm
Commercially it can't be fun for Indy, but I think that if you're going to call it a world championship, missing out USA/North America is an issue, which is why the Canadian must be safe. Three issues arise:-
1 Bernie was paid a third of the take to make money for F1
2 We all think he's a cnut and has gone too far
3 F1 seems awfully successful
1 Bernie was paid a third of the take to make money for F1
2 We all think he's a cnut and has gone too far
3 F1 seems awfully successful
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Rhino on July 13, 2007, 06:07:05 pm
And i see bernie has said that F1 doesn't need a race in the USA!! it's my ball and i'm taking it home. (sound of dwarf stomping off)
Still They don't need it because they now have that delightful Victoria Becham.
Still They don't need it because they now have that delightful Victoria Becham.
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Boorish Grobian on July 13, 2007, 10:22:34 pm
Agreed Jerry, in a perfect world F1 would still be visiting The Glen in October. But that was then and this is now. F1 is now more about making sure the posers get entertained and looked after. And while the Seneca lake region is gorgeous, I doubt the sponsors bimbos would find the Glen Motor Lodge a happening place to go clubbing. Looking forward to seeing Rossi, Stoner, Hayden, etc. plying their trade around the ancient Speedway.
Fax
Fax
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: Matt Harper on July 14, 2007, 02:06:33 am
It's on Crash.net so I guess its legit.
I'm not entirely surprised, too much pressure for new fly away rounds for some of the rounds that are perceived as less successful to continue
I'm not entirely surprised, too much pressure for new fly away rounds for some of the rounds that are perceived as less successful to continue
Damn your filthy lies, Chop!!
Oh, hang-on, it's on crash.net - we'll let you off then.
Seriously, is anyone even remotely surprised by this? As said already - with two pathalogical maniacs conducting the negotiation, it was destined to be a three ring circus. The Brickyard wasn't/isn't the right US venue and I don't think too many would argue that F1, in it's current guise, is not all that attractive to the US audience. It gasped it's last wheezing death rattle after the tyre farce a couple of years back. Good riddance - it was a piss-poor joke in a market with so much motorsport choice.
As for Bernie Ecclestone - I agree that he is a bit of a ladies pee-thing, but he's also a visionary, predatory and opportunistic businessman - business people's predominant drive is usually making money - and Bernie seems to have a pretty good track-record in that endeavour. Making big money and also satisfying the paying public is not easily achieved. I don't believe he is 'good for motorsport', but I do think he's good at business (if that translates to financial success).
Title: Re: USGP Gone
Post by: wadespeed1 on July 14, 2007, 04:17:39 am
Tony missed his chance to up the ante after the Michelin stunt. He should have opened the gates and let the drunken Hoosier former "Snake Pit" crowd at 'em. I'd would love to have seen carbon fiber bits paraded down Georgetown. Bernie owes TG at least one, Indy security saved more than one F1 a@# that day. That said, I look forward to Moto GP at Indy. That will be a great race and a fun crowd. BTW, it has been my experience that the girls at bike races are hotter than F1 or any other races I've been to. Maybe TG isn't stupid after all.
