Club Arnage

Now that the end-of-year festivities are history, time to concentrate on the new year.

I have had a chat with Robbo, the net result being that I will take over the admin for this year's T shirts (and car stickers if wanted).  I need to get the ball rolling so that the shirts will be ready for Sebring.

So, to get an idea of numbers, who will be wanting shirts this year - and how many??  And do you want 2007 car stickers??

Design wise, the shirts will probably be similar to last year with a different picture on the back.  Costs, I hope, will again be similar.  Any residue of money after distribution will be donated to the CA charity.

Martini - I like the ideas you have spoken about with FS and Paddy - can you develop those ideas and come up with a prototype.

Del

1 Shirt and stickers for me Del

2 T-shirts for me please

one thing though, I expect not only an Union Jack on one shoulder, there should also be an red-white-blue on the other shoulder. ;)

1 shirt for me, will start a thread on the topic on our forums also.

Stickers will be sorted by Paddy I suppose?

1 Shirt and stickers for me Del

KK and I will have t-shirts and a couple of stickers please.

2 Shirts for Me, maybe more but have to speak with the guys yet.

2 shirts size XXXXXL or so  ;) and 2 car stickers for me please!

Suggestion for design: smokie mentioned in an earlier post that he found the dress of the French national team at the football worldcup quite good as a template, I share that

Any ideas for the picture on the back?

Dunlop Bridge or circuit map maybe

2 x tees and car stickers please  ;D

maybe the back print could incorporate the map of the track?

Like the idea of the Dunlop Bridge or circuit on the back. I would rather not resemble the French football strip! Maybe a bit more like the English Rugby shirt? But sports other than motorsport and national teams could upset some people.

I've just been tinkering in Photoshop and have knocked up this - any good?

thats the idea.. maybe the track sideways (ie so will spread over the back) like they have on the LM 24hr jackets?

This would leave a large area of the rear of the shirt blank as the logo would run across the shoulders.

yup.. see what you mean.. 1664 bottle/crest below maybe.. or some famous le mans quote?

What was it that Stefan Johanson said last year? "The circuit we all love to hate" or something? :-\


Anyway, use this link to design, makes it a little easier ;)
http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/leegshirt.pdf




I'll try some myself later, when I have some time :-X

Oops sorry, that was an empty orange shirt, suppose the Brits wouldn't like that one :D

Gentlemen, start your livers

A bit of tidying up -

Excellent! ;D

One more arrangement -

That pic makes me wonder why the ACO is planning pitches for MB in '08 ::)

;D

Check out Enzo's avatar. I think something like that would look good on the back of a shirt if it could be reproduced clearly.

Would there be any problems with copyright?

It's the multicolour printing that then adds to cost and problems.

Enzo's avatar looks a bit 'busy'.  And I don't know about the copyright.  If the picture was from an original by a CA member, then I can't see any copyright problems.

The suggestion from Martini & FS a while back was to have a photo of a recognisable part of the circuit (a view up the pit straight was suggested), and photoshop it into a simple line drawing.  And as Steve has said above, the more colours, the higher the cost.

When considering ANY design, bear in mind there may be a physical limit to the size of any picture.  My local contact reckoned that the 2-beers pic last year was right on the limit heightwise.

Following on from Lang Tall's suggestion re flags, I think we should drop the Union Flag from the sleeve, as there are many different nationals who buy/wear the shirts.  At the very least, if a flag was required, it should be the European flag.

Keep the suggestions coming - they will be helpful to Martini to show him what we want.


Del

I agree about dropping the flag, much as some of us make like to believe we still own the world quite a lot of the CA members are not British. 

If there is anything useful in KK's photo's that could be converted feel free to shout, I'm sure it would be no problem.

My photo, turned to mono and PS'ed to a pen drawing -

I have a photo on Race Day at about 1515 that shows how ridiculously hot it was. Will dig it out and play around a bit.

More tinkering -

This is better - not sure how it will print though

I like the 1971 piccy, and the clock.
Like the 2 beers last year, a little bit different, the plan of the track is done by everybody and his dog.


Please don't replace the Union flag on the sleeve with the european flag.
 
Personnally I think that as CA is a UK based site, and the majority of members are British, there is nothing wrong with having the Union flag on the sleeve.
Drinking for Europe anybody?
Turn 10 without the Stars and Stripes?

While the Union flag is acceptable to most as others have said it is not acceptable to all, personally I am happy to have it plain and produce iron-on transfers for the sleeves.

What you should remember is that the sleeves are printed individually which adds quite a bit to the cost.

Screen printing is not like normal printing and from what I know, unless things have changed dramatically, each colour is a separate print run and screen which is labour intensive.

Delboy can you check on the dimensions of the back artwork please.

Thanks

>Martini...

Hi again

I take it that the front is acceptable with the 06 changed to a 07.

As below ref the flags it would probably be a good idea to personalise shirts with your name, avatar etc. if you are going to buy some iron-on transfers, ... not everyone is good at remembering names...

Nitrami...

Some of the guys from DfH are gonna kill me if I do this, but never mind ;D

This pic is from a Bruce McLaren book, those of you visited our pitch in 2005 have seen the pic before 8)

Like it could we incorporate the stripes in the background as per last years design?

Del can you put me down for one med T-shirt and some car stickers?

Just wondering what had been decided about the car stickers.......design,size?

Nothing as yet Chris.

Any suggestions anyone??

Del

hey Ive got a funny pic of stirling moss at last years race but I cant work out how to reduce it for a link ( I'm a dunce!)

mail it to me Chris, I'll pass you the link ;)


Here's my try in a proper way. The forum seems buggered as for putting photos on sthraight away, so I'll try the ol' [!mg]http://-stuff ;)

First of all the photo which I have in high res (120MB). Comes from a McLaren book, and is (apparently) the 1968 start of the race.

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/68start.jpg)

Then the shirt, I left the front as it was, because many people here seem to like that one. The rear is just a mix of a couple of things. Feel free to comment ;)

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CA shirts first try.jpg)

First thoughts for back

>Martini...

How about this:

I am open to loads of ideas on this. The reason for the aston is the use of the 007 and gun.

No 2




>Martini...

watch it, the Brethren might steal that one ::)

;D

Ummmm.  I think they have or is my machine still playing up.

Love the 68 photo Paddy.  Could we go for someting more rebellious

Is there a picture from 1970 of Icyx stubbing out his fag, whilst the others run across the track for the start.

you mean this, Truck?

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/ickx.jpg)

this is the photo that Alibongo came up with ;D

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/Moss.jpg)

Hey paddy do you do a "crash course" in I.T? to include paint shop etc etc?

Both the last photos of the start line are great, but whether they will be effective when printed on a shirt is a problem. The 2 beers print was a lot simpler photo, but still lost definition after the printing process.

>Martini...

That's cool, Martin.

IMHO much prefer the spirit of Le Mans motif like last year, rather than the we're getting p*ssed at Le Mans style.

this might be an idea, even though it's JPC's pic! :o

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/JPCshirt.jpg)

Thats the one, but it doesn't look too interesting for a t shirt.  Its 1969 -
 "I must admit that my first place at Le Mans in 1969 almost seemed to me logical. I won everything in the time. Everything was successful to me. I do not see why this victory would have escaped me."
Jacky Ickx

Martini's idea on a shirt...

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/McQ3.jpg)

Well, that's me done for today. Keep the comments and hints coming ;)

If its McQueen you want, my votes for this
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/Lorrylemans/avatars/McQueen.jpg)

Hi Paddy,
               I support this one as the Corvette is in the lead. I also agree with Barry that the shirt should reflect the race. Even though he and I will be in the Stella Bar on Wednesady evening :o ;D
Phil

Thanks Phil, I like this pic too :)

my vote goes to martini with SMQ.. not sure about the circular CA above it though... the real mean spiel would be good too ;)

I Like this one from martini the best so far.

I agree we should avoid the drinking type of slogons as Barry said, I am not keen on the 'real men do it for 24 hours' text either, i think its a bit dated.

As for the flag could we not design it so it has the Brit, Dutch, US and Candian merging into each other. Maybe in a design that hints at a section of the track, the esses maybe.


I would expect to take 6 Tees and a hanful of stickers

I'll have two t-shirts and an assortment (sizes) of stickers when they become available.


There is a picture of McQueen siting in the car on the start line.....I'll try and find the picture.

Who should I send it to?

Would prefer to keep the union flag, but understand it does not please everyone.

this is nice.. with CA replacing le mans

2, T-shirts for me please X LARGE, and 2 car stickers,Medium

Thanks.
Mike

I like the picture Fagey, but would maybe suggest keeping Le Mans and replacing the Gulf logo with the CA logo!

Not sure how easy or the cost of printing full colour though?

i believe that delboy and martini can wizard it into a scetch type thing/or black and white with photoshop..  but I think the pic is fantastic ;D

If we use Steve McQueen again people will begin to think that we are fans of him and not the race.

We could always use Johnny Herbert on the back then we could have head to toe life size!!  ;D

I liked Steve McQueen but I think we should change and also perhaps have a current driver? Jan Lammers perhaps?

well he is an iconic figure, recognised worldwide, of an iconic race.. gets my vote this year at least ;D

Mike and others, it might be handier to await orders untill untill definite decision is taken concerning the design. All orders placed in this topic can easily get lost due to the amount of replies :-\

Didn't the original post ask for an idea of numbers??

Anyway I like either the new McQueen one by Martini or otherwise the corvette v aston with the  glowing brake discs is cool. May'be we should have a poll.

Jay

Oops. Yes, you are right. Sorry about that then! :-[

Like others here, I'm not entirely convinced about the setup around the pictures. Maybe we can work on that? :-\

I'd like 1 x Large T shirt and 1 x large stcicker and 1 x small sticker if they are being made.

I did an image search for other cast members appearing in the film and I can't find a single one that doesn't have Steve McQueen in them aswell

Christopher sent me a few pics, I thought this was the nicest...

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CA_Shirt6.jpg)

I do watch the first qualifing session wednesday, as I walk round to Tetre, and we always intend and try to get out the bar for the second. But sometimes Miss Reassuringly tempts me away . :)

thats cool ;)

Looks good, and will stand out at a distance, photo of SMQ in the 917 is excellent, but will be a bit indistinct if you are more than 6' away.

the man has a point!!.. also maybe lose/move the CA emblem from above it and raise SMQ as he seems to be a bit low on the back??

Personally, I think a 917 is much better looking than SMQ.

It's the Leffe there that does for me, Barry.  We haven't left the Stella bar until 2am on Thursday for the past 2 or 3 years  ::)

Oops - miss a tread for a day or so and it's already very long!

Del - 1 x medium shirt for me plus a couple of stickers please.

Question regarding stickers - any chance you are thinking of adding a type that can be stuck inside windows? I'm a bit nervous about repeatedly removing adhesive items from my precious paintwork.

I did ask for numbers, Paddy, although at this stage, the objective was to 1) get a feel for the number of shirts wanted and 2)instigate discussions on the design.  Successful on the latter anyway   :) :) :)

Del

As far as I have read back, there are three potential designs which are interesting to members.
Is it an idea to -maybe start a new topic and- turn it into a poll?


(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CA_Shirt6.jpg)

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/JPCshirt.jpg)

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/McQ3.jpg)

Does everybody agree on the front? The designs above are for the rear!

What ever design comes out, us from DfH will most probably take at least 10 - 15 shirts, Dell ;D

The middle one would need 2 options!  (Mrs) Termie

Great suggestions guys - keep them coming.

I have made one executive decision - to drop the Union flag from the sleeve.  I have had a few pm's about this, one person saying they would not have a shirt if the Union flag was on it.  So, as there was no big shout to keep the flag, it's gone.

My own view on the vaious suggestion so far:

Generally
1  Steve McQeen - No.  We did this rather successfully last year
2  Circuit Diagram - No.  Too many others groups have used this
3  Drinking slogans - No.  I prefer the spriit of LM rather than the Drinking at LM
4  Real Men..... slogan - No.  Dated, and I still have the original on my car (I can't get it off!!)

Specifically
5  The Clock - would have been better if it showed 4.00 pm
6  Various start-line pics - OK, but don't know what they would be like as line drawings.  I think full colour versions are a no-no as they would boost the costs dramatically.  I particularly like Steve B's 1971 start - simple and is recognisably LM
7  Aston/Vette - OK, but it doesn't symbolise LM - it could be any ALMS race.

As I said - my views only. And I typed this before Paddy's summary above.

Del

Prefer option 2. the third option I think needs the CA logo leaving out so as to bring the rest up higher.

I like the middle one but without the "real men" bit - it seems to be a bit "optimistic" in my experience.... (for optimistic read deluded) :-\

Can you ask the printer if I can send a ladies shaped t-shirt for printing again like I did with Robbo last year? **

Thanks.

F

** Same question might apply to DfH t-shirt too!

P.S.  the corvette only appears to be in the lead cos its on the inside of a bend and by the time it gets to the next bend the aston will have cut thru and disappeared over the horizon... I tell myself.

Funny you say that. JPC took that picture at Sebring '05 ;D

By the way, like I said before: all texts and logos can be changed easily. That's a two minute job.

"We" do it for 24 hours?

Sad day. :(

The Union flag is part of LM history, and we do have a representation of the Tricolour on the shirt.

Most of the people who would have surported having the Union Flag on the shirt are unfortunatley to busy to log on regularly during the off season, working their b*llocks off in the UK to keep the wolves and robber Brown at bay.

If no Union flag then certainly no european flag, or any particular team affiliation please.

I still like the 'graphic pen' style of image.  Any photograph, even in black and white, will be very difficult to successfully reproduce on a t-shirt unless it's a poor quality photo transfer.

Drawings or drawing effects will print better as there is less contrast and varying grey scales.

IMHO


Option 1: great photo, after printing will not be very dramatic.

Option 2: so 80's, Maggie would be proud to wear it, we've done it before, I've even got the mug, subbing in 'we' ruins the line, 2 print runs? , one for each sex? Might as well do individual runs with various national flags.

Option 3: agree with Del, like it but we did a similar thing last year.

Astons/corvettes? Ferrari fans will be p*ssed.

Like the clock, good idea, if someone could get a good photo this year showing 4 o'clock, prehaps 2008.

If I had to order one today would go for Steve's 917's line drawing on the start, spirit of LM, continuity from 2006 but still different. history so no team allifiation problems.

Some people were a liittle disappointed with the way the 2 beers shirt came out last year, (not me I realise the limits of screen printing) so would have to agree.

Transfers do not survive washing very well, ask Martini with his Guernsey flag on his shirt, or more acuratley flaking off.

I can change the hands, numerals may be a bit more of a problem.



Which pic are you refering to, this one?

(http://www.clubarnage.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6463.0;attach=3189;image)

Liked the other one best

1971 hatch jpeg.jpg

With a bit of fiddling, the technique can be applied to most pictures - they will then reproduce better on a t-shirt.

Here is the photo I have of the clock but just noticed there was a goon in the way, do we want to crop it?

If you chaps can actually agree on a type of image that you'd like to use, I'll very happily produce some original art that incorporates the logo etc. so that it belongs to you and is original. I would also go with Mr. Brown in suggesting that you stick to something more graphic as it will print better and will be a lot stronger rather than looking like something you have picked up at the local race track.

I'm away ski-ing from tomorrow until tuesday so if you can get your sh*t together and agree on something between now and then I will get on with some designs and produce it. BTW I prefer the idea of using classic motors as you are then not calling sides. I can incorporate isomething like that into a montage if you want the clock/flag blah blah blah , or make it look like a poster . ( no skulls for you lot though )

Rusty

Close but 2008??? Surely there is 2007 first!

Thanks for your offer Rusty, excellent stuff.

All we need to do is make a decision now  :-\

Some people were a liittle disappointed with the way the 2 beers shirt came out last year, (not me I realise the limits of screen printing) so would have to agree.

Transfers do not survive washing very well, ask Martini with his Guernsey flag on his shirt, or more acuratley flaking off.
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I take it that the front is acceptable with the 06 changed to a 07.

I for one was not impressed with the printing last year in relation to the artwork supplied, I thought the printer would change the dot for screenprint.

As below ref the flags it would probably be a good idea to personalise shirts with your name, avatar etc. if you are going to buy some iron-on transfers, ... not everyone is good at remembering names... also my flags are still in one piece, I think you had too much cider Barry.

While the Union flag is acceptable to most as others have said it is not acceptable to all, personally I am happy to have it plain and produce iron-on transfers for the sleeves.

What you should remember is that the sleeves are printed individually which adds quite a bit to the cost.

Screen printing is not like normal printing and from what I know, unless things have changed dramatically, each colour is a separate print run and screen which is labour intensive.

>Martini...

Del can you put me down for 2 x large t- shirts and a couple of medium sized stickers please.

On the discussion of wether to remove the Union flag from the t-shirt........why not put below the 2007 logo on the right hand chest side all the flags of the respective Ca members ....just to add extra colour to the front of the shirt.I do realise it may make it a bit busy but....hey ho it is LM afterall.Or remove that logo and just put the flags in a block in place of the current logo with a line saying something like "Club Arnarge the international members website of LM"

Wishy

About the flag issue : Let's not try to be 100% politically correct, otherwise we'll end up with a discussion thread about the shirts probably beating the Commer thread in length. I'm German but I don't need my flag on the shirt. CA is without doubt dominated by forum members from the UK, so the Union Jack would be OK for me.

As to the design of the shirt: Don't make it too complicated, it should look good after a few washing cycles and from my point of view the shirts don't need to be personalized. May be just some placeholder on the chest so everyone can write his/her name with a permanent marker on it, makes recognition at the poo bar gathering easier.

Cheers

Werner

That's the problem, Wishy- extra colour = extra costs.  Last year's shirt was printed with just 4 colours IIRC, blue, black,red and orange.  Although many flags can be printed with these, there are others that would introduce more colours (Germany & Ireland for example). 

Del

I like this one as it sums up the race for me and what I go to see ....... GT1  ;D

Well said Werner.   

IMVHO trying to put all the flags on would be too much.   There is the chance you it would p off someone cos their flag is not on there.
Some you just can't win.  :(

t.

If a design using the clock is chosen, can it not be of the 'old' clock?

I cannot remember when this Rolex one turned up, but I don't like it.

My thoughts....

KK probably has "clock" pictures, he usually takes some.  I'll ask him to look.

We've also got some good pics of the reconstruction of the (1969?) GT40 3 car finish that was staged at last year's Classic.  What about something like that converted to a line drawing? 

Flag - I'm not sure it's about political correctness, for me it's just that a lot of the members of this website are not British so why a British Flag?   Plus, given the reputation lots of the Brits have at LM sometimes I'm a bit happier not walking round with a union flag on my sleeve...

I'm not a fan of the "real men do..." stuff - it's pretty dated really. 

I liked last years t-shirt, the quality was fine for me and I love the "two beers" picture. 

I wasnt aware there was anything to be ashamed of being British at Le Mans?  Have I been missing something all these years?

F

Have you not been round the village at midnight on the Saturday night when the pissed and sunburnt brits hassle anything that's passing?   

It's not great and wearing a tshirt with a union flag on it encourages them to try to converse and makes it harder to pretend you can't understand them!   The other nationalities and even the vast number of Danes who are now making the trip seem to pass out quietly on the campsites, it's just the Brits who seem to feel the need to be lairy and harrass families, kids and anyone who happens to be passing.

(this has made me think of the bloke at the 'poo bar last year who everyone assumed was with someone else until he passed out on the floor and Petra (I think?) had to go and attend to him!  ;D) 

I have certainly been at the poo bar at midnight on the Saturday - but dont recall ever seeing any hassling going on.

I have seen pissed and sunburnt people of all nationalities at various times in the week tho.

F

Edit:  I have just had a thought - possibly being accustomed to Saturday night out in Manchester I might have a different "drunken hassle" threshold to you!

Agree Fran. I've very rarely seen lairy behaviour in the village.
 The only time I've been ashamed to be a Brit was at HA roundabout last year. Any French vehicle was pelted with plastic bottles and yelled abuse at. Considering these people are our hosts they shouldn't have to be subjected to the thug mentality.
Anyway, wrong thread for this stuff so I'll butt out now.

LOL!!  perhaps you're right, your threshold is different!!  Maybe we have a nicer type of drunk in Bristol (or it might be the fact that I don't go out on a Saturday night anymore!)

It's not the 'poo-bar, it's the main village and round the fairground.  It does always to me seem to be the Brits but perhaps they are the only ones I see.

Yep Bob's right, wrong thread....

Anyway what I meant to say was that KK thinks he's got 4pm pics of the new clock (he'll need to find them) but he's suggested that the Grand Fromage almost certainly has pics of the old clock so it might be worth someone having a word with him? 

If not I'll just have to find an excuse to nip over to the ticket office at 4 o'clock one afternoon!

The Maison Blanche site used to have a simple, two colour, front view of a 917 as its logo, but I cannot find it anymore.

Maybe something along those lines.

Being two colours (blue and orange of course) it would be simple to use, or could be transformed into a line drawing easily.

Would Maison Blanche allow the use of their logo, or a close copy?

Food for thought.

I just did a very quick render from an image I nicked off the net. Is this a starting point for an image, I'll of course create an original work and customise the branding on the car, the logo could be be dropped in behind the image and if you want the clock that could go in too,  I would suggest bringing in a graphic swirl behind the car to represent the track, it will also give it some speed.

I'm off in three hours so I'll catch up when I get back.

that is nice ;D

I have found it.. can be photoshopped into sketch and I think says le mans in style!!

Like that a lot especially the name on the front  ;D

>Martini...

Worked on that one a little. See result.
Top one is the original, bottom is when I threw it through a textile filter, which will show the end result on a shirt.

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/LeMans.jpg)

how aboput the sketch?

must admit it is not SMQ, not related to corvette/AM/ferrari, not nationalistic..just le mans ;)

stronger maybe ??

There is a definite copyright mark on the first one Fagey put up

>Martini...

Anyone could have taken that picture ::)

i agree.. there was copyright on the SMQ used last year.. from the movie studios!.. methinks a poll is needed ;D

I thought that the "2 beers" copyright was dealt with more locally? 

I actually quite anal about the concept of using something in breach of someone's copyright. 

Hmm, never heard that phrase before ::)


Anyway, the photograph above ain't something special, I can't see the problem. After fiddeling around with it a little, the owner probably won't even recognise it.
Or should we ask Temietermite to drive up to Le Mans again and make a copy of that shot with her camera, just to make it legal? :-\

Wandering around on the actual track is tricky, even in the off season!  A shot of the clock I might manage from the terrace, but even then there's all that bl**dy catch fencing!

A bit late to this thread - but having seen the quality of Rusty's artwork over the years on the Brethren t shirts I would very much like to see some ideas from him.

There are some very good ones above, but the special effects will probably just look like a poor print job in real life.

The flags - personally I'm not really bothered either way - if it costs less without then I would have thought sales would be higher... but I would agree that none is preferable to some...


2 XXL for me, maybe 2 XL for Mark for me please.

1No XL shirt for me please   :)

Bafty

I apologise in advance because it's very easy to sit here not thinking up any good ideas and just criticising other peoples efforts, but I prefer a bolder clearer image than the track image.
It is all a bit ambiguous, where as the Steve McQueen image or the Gulf Porsche  images are clearer. I'm not sure how easy the image above will be to recognise, especially when it's distorted by the shape of peoples backs (especially mine).

  I have to agree with that, whatever you guys decide it should be easy to recognise.

Agreed, looking at my huge t-shirt collection, the ones which are the most successful are certainly bold and simple.  I'm sure you've seen this
http://www.n138.net/gulfmain.htm
This guy does a lot of LM related t-shirts (I often think the actual artwork is too small for the t-shirts though) and the ideas are quite simple but as such make an obvious statement.  Agreed, Gary, it's easy to criticise when one has zero artistic flair oneself! I'm sure whatever you decide will be great but although I love the photo per se I'm not sure they always work that well on shirts.

this one via photoshop / streamline / illustrator with various adaptions

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CA07GT40.jpg)

I like the image. What would that look like in the CA blue on a white t-shirt?

like this ;D >>

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CA07GT40a.jpg)

I dunno about everyone else but the blue GT40 has my vote

it looks better with tyres ;D

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CA07GT40b.jpg)

I Like it too. Especially with tyres.

Smashing. The blue works better than the black - and the GT40 will work better with the tyres.

OK people - we're going to have to make a decision shortly, but I would like to wait until Rusty gets back tomorrow to see if he can come up with anything else.

I liked his view up the pit straight, and I also like Paddy's GT40 with wheels - I wonder if the car could be superimposed onto something 'typically' LM like the Dunlop bridge (or whatever!!).

Anyway, I'll set up a poll in a couple of days and we will go with the majority.

In the meantime, if you have any further ideas.........

Del

OK I'd vote for the tyred (sorry!) GT40 in bleu!

I like the CA style with the union flag but for the sake of harmony it'll be ok without.

A name box could be good too, but I expect Gary will knock up a hang round the neck badge for the MASC contingent, (wont you Gary?) on which we can have our names for ID purposes.

[don't tell him but I do tend to rely on Gary rather a lot when it comes to these things, our secret OK? ;) ]

So 1 for me please if GT40 wheelycar, otherwise I'll stick with the 2006 shirt which is classy with ol'two fingers aboard.

 :)

Blöody 'ell, you guys don't half keep me busy! ;D

Hope you can apreciate this one then :-\

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/GT40_Dunlop.jpg)

better ;)

Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner

Thanks guys ;)

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/GT40_Dunlop_Shirt.jpg)

Wunderbar!

and to throw the spanner into the works.. instead of the union flag on the sleeve.. the CA emblem is put there??

Think of all the happy smiling faces of those wearing your design Paddy. That will be your reward.

Here are the original photos. Both went through photoshop to enlighten, then through Streamliner to convert to lines, then through my vinyl cutting program to remove unwanted lines, and finally through Corel Draw to make it all fit and fill it the colors. As you can see, the angle from where the photos are taken are slightly different, but that doesn't really come out at the final result - thankfully :)

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CA_gt40_originals.jpg)

Excellent idea! (http://forum.drinkingforholland.com/images/smiles/icon_thumbsup.gif)

Spot on ........ Jam Tart   ;D

(http://www.londonist.com/attachments/Rob/jammy-dodger-big.jpg)

True, as long as everybody apreciates it ;D

How long before some picky sod points out that that logo wasn't on bridge during the 60's. ::)
If they do, tell them to piss off until they can do better ;D

Absolutely stunning Paddy

Now if you could only.......................................................................

Slight adjustment made, the Ford has been "flattened" a little. What do you think is better?

the original>
(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/GT40_Dunlop.jpg)

the adjusted>
(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/GT40_Dunlop1.jpg)

Photo could be taken during a Classic ;)

By the way, I like the French text underneath the large logo. Undoubtively shows it's origin.

Flatter looks sportier - now if you could just make a little air intake on the roof and a spoiler on the back, round up the headlights a bit.... could almost look like a Saleen!!  ;)

F

1 XL for me please.

For what its worth I prefer the "un-flattend" GT40

@ LT In order to make it more easy for Delboy, should we try to make a group order again, like last year?

Makes sense to me.

Prefer if it was left blank so those who wish can put a ...........Union Flag there.

CA on one sleeve.. and your own flag on the other (if you wanted to ;D)

Saw you already did, forgotten all about it. ;)

2 No. - XL for me please sir.

When do you want the dosh?

Thanks

Where was CA mark going to be?

TBD, so come up with an idea! ;)


Anyway, in my opinion the car stickers should be related to the shirts. Here's my first design.

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CAsticker07.jpg)

looks nice ;D

No need to design any more Paddy, that looks about perfect to me 8)

The sticker looks great, but will some of the quality be lost on them when its scaled down?

btw, the choice of the GT40 is apt as 2007 will mark 40 years since Foyt and Gurney drove one to victory!

Looks great just as it is.
I'll have two please.

Looks like we have lift-off.

I prefer the un-flattened GT40, and both the shirt and sticker are fabulous.

I also like the idea of the CA logo on one sleeve, leaving the other sleeve free for 'personalisation'.

I'll set up a poll with the options.

Del

Del can I bump my order up from 2 to 3. I have a traveling partner liked last years so much he asked me to get him one.

I'll have 2 XL and 1 small (for the lady).

I'd like two large T shirts and stickers please, no preference to design just as they come, Cheers, Gordon.

Let me try to explain this. The original file is stored here as a vector file. This means that my computer sees the drawing as lines, instead of a picture. This way I can make it as small or as big as possible, the drawing will always stay the same quality. Might be an idea to make a large banner, but I cannot think of any use for it at the moment...

Now that's a nice bonus to it, I wasn't aware of that! 8)

Unflattened GT40 looks better IMHO, I will have two t-shirts and three stickers.

Looks wicked Paddy - well done!

Prefer the full-fat unflattened version too.

Can I put my name down for 2 x XL T-shirts and 4 stickers?  (Will they be the same size and material as last year?  I loved their reflectiveness...)

Cherrs,

Patrick.

I was going to say I pefer the bridgeless GT40, unfattened but on reflection I'd like an XL  a"bridged" Tee shirt and a couple of small stickers (To fill in the marks on my paint from last year's stickers.)

Way to go, Paddy. Excellent! :)

Sorry Nordic, but that's a bit like saying Buzz Aldrin was the second man to walk on the moon   :-\ :-\

The GT40 first won in '66 with Amon and McLaren driving.

Del

Nice one Paddy

Credit

>Martini...

Never said 67 was the first year a GT40 won, and I like Buzz just as much as Neil Armstrong. ;)

As for the design on the tee, prefer it unflattened.

The design captures the essence of the event, well done Paddy.

I did wonder what it would like in Black rather than blue?

This is a teaser, right? ;D
Okay then, just to show you why almost everyone is opting for blue...

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/GT40_Dunlop_Black.jpg)

I think the blue is better.

I'm going to let the poll run till late Sunday, then go with the majority verdict at that time.

Del

I'm back, see you've been busy there Paddy, excellent work mate. Clean, simple and very strong.

Blue works better for me as it falls in with the rest of the shirts colours.

The only thing I would do is extend and complete the bridge and lettering at the top so that it runs out to the right border, it looks cut off as it is. You could also enlarge the car a tad so that it isn't too overpowered by the bridge. If you want me to sort the bridge email me a hi res image and I'll draw it up.
Rusty

These are the original photos, cannot even find the left one anymore :-\

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/CA_gt40_originals.jpg)

I can send you the vector files though, any use?

Any of these any good??

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/DunlopBridge3.jpg)

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/DunlopBridge2.jpg)

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/DunlopBridge1.jpg)

Del

I think the bridge might be too large to fit it all in. By the time the bridge is in complete form, all will be left of the GT40 is an unrecognisable dot :-\

By the way, if only there would be a distance shot of the complete bridge, then maybe we could get something like this in it, to please everybody ;)

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/graphics/2004/07/27/gt3.jpg)

(http://www.dunlop.de/de/data/advert/kampagne2002/popup/le_mans_ger_bridge_sp_popup.jpg)

Something like this

What a bunch of tinkerers  ;D

Is that even a word

Got this one, but pic is slightly out-of focus

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/DunlopBridge4.jpg)

Del

Paddy,
I think my comment may have confused you. All I meant was to just finish the tiny little bit of the bridge at the top where it is clipped, not the whole item. It would just smooth the top of the pic. It wouldn't make any difference to the pro of the pic at all.

ie.....

I can work easily from those Paddy, I will use the basis of the line art you have already created and redraw it cleaning it up so it will print well.

How did the Renault entry do that year?  Seems to be having problems...

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/delboy9/DunlopBridge2.jpg)

Nice one, Lazarou! ;D

Mail with all files have been sent to Russ, let's see what he can do 8)

Orange - perfect for me and my van!  ;D

Got all of that OK Paddy, I'll get onto it at the weekend and will email you once complete.

Rusty

Strange that 28 individuals have ordered 70 shirts but only 24 have voted on the design poll ???

Do you have to vote to order?

I voted but havn't appeared on the order list yet.  So really it's 29/24 and 74.

t.

indeed, the others may just like whatever is chosen ;)

Nah, that's a different shirt ;D

(http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/Sebringshirt.jpg)

Lovely, Pads.  Can I be an honourary Dutch person for the weekend and buy one?

Sure Debs! Then we can finally recalculate for the postage of your films :P

Don't do it Debs. I've tried it a few times and every time I woke up next day with a hangover ;D.

CA t-shirt proposal is looking good.

Roughly how do the sizes work out?

An approximate chest size for S, M, L and XL would be useful please.

Also, can I order 4 x medium stickers please.

Thank you.

No change there then!

Don't forget the XXL's for us investor's in the British brewing industry (aka fat bastards)

What worries me more, Bob, is that we only have (currently) 74 shirts provisionally ordered. 

There is a basic set-up cost for printing, plus a cost for the shirt and for it to be printed. So the more shirts to be printed, the lower the price. 

So come on you people, get your orders in now.

Del

Del, you can increase my order to 4, KK and I will have two each (saves me smelling too badly after a week at LM  ;D)

I will have 3 shirts if it will help with reducing the price. Do you have any idea what the prices are yet and what the price breaks are?

Sorry mate, no prices in my inbox yet. Price doesn't break anywhere, or everywhere actually. Sounds complicated, but for each side, each color needs a screen. So the more shirts, the cheaper the screens. Price per shirt per 99 shirts will be more expensive than 101 shirts, even though you're talking shillings here :-\
The rest is just added costs (fixed prices for shirt and screening per colour).

I`ll take a Large please, of whatever design.

Hi del,

just checked your order table, please add 2 car stickers for me (medium)

2x medium car stickers also please ;D

1 Large T shirt.

1 large, 2 medium, 3 small car stickers.

If I've placed an order before, this one takes precedence.

Cheers

I have also previously ordered (I think) but please take this as a confirmation of 1 x Large T shirt and 2 x stickers.

I will have an extra T-shirt please large. My order should be,
2x XL T-shirts
1x L   T-shirt
2x Car stickers.(medium)

Thanks.
Mike

Soon to follow (in a seperate topic); DfH '07 gear 8)

;D

Hi folks

I am taking note of the orders/changes, but can't update the list at the moment - I have mislaid my reading glasses, so it is a bit difficult to type when I have to sit 4 feet away from the screen.

As an update, the shirts will probably work out at £11 each, then postage and/or Paypal fees on top of that.

Sticker prices hopefully will be similar to last year's price. 75p, £1.00 and £1.25 - these to be confirmed by Paddy,

Del

hi,
can I order 1 OFF XL t-shirt
and 2 OFF small and medium,
cheers
dave c,

Hi Del, just back from my holiday . . .

good to see the orders are coming in thick and fast. if you ned anything please PM me as e-mail address being changed as we speak....

I haven't been following this closely but put me down for an XXL one large and one medium sticker.

So Doris isn't shaving this year.  Wise move for you all.  We need a simple way to collect

Keep up the good work

Del,

Can you add

- 3xLarge stickers
- 3xMedium stickers
- 6xSmall stickers

to my order (already ordered 2 XL shirts).

I'm gonna try to sticker the ferry again this year...

Cheers,

Patrick.

We are getting close to a final design for the T-shirts - Rusty has been too busy at work to do his thing with the current proposal, and hopes to have a re-vamped design by the end of next weekend.

Whatever, I am aware that several people who said they wanted shirts, but did not give sizes, have not provided me with any update info for the table in the 'T-shirt order' thread.

Also, we have orders for 86 shirts currently, and I have quotes for supply/printing based on a minimum of 100 shirts.

So if you want a(some) shirt(s), get your order in now.  I will be posting prices in a day or so, and asking for money, so watch this space.

Similarly for car stickers - Paddy is producing these at cost, and they will not be expensive - so get your orders in now.

Del

Del,

to verify my order,

2x tees XL
2x medium stickers

Cheers

Andy ;D

Finally got it sorted and its on its way to Paddy. I will probably make a few tweeks at the weekend as the car looks a bit static at the moment but that will be a doddle, got to shoot. Man its been hell over here.

Rusty

Now with added va va voom   :laugh:

That looks a whole lot better Rusty, a great job 8) . Lets have them made and posted out ASAP

Del wanted to have a butchers at it in the blue print so here it is. The blue is probably not the correct print colour but it gives you a rough idea.

Great work Rusty the GT40 looks much better in detail.

I like the blue one, but the black one is equally good.

The main consideration of black print on white t's is that that when the black fades they look sh*ty grey, but the blue will just fade to lighter blue.

Just my opion though.

The main reason for this request was that it would be better for the CA URL to be in blue, and if we have the picture in black, it adds another colour and so ups the cost of printing.

I quite like the blue, but admit the black is 'sharper'.  And as Rick says, after a couple of washes, the black is going to fade anyway.

I'll go for the blue.

Del

I agree with BLUE.
Looks better than black and saves on an extra colour screen.

Blue is the new black.

( .... and Blue Nord is the new Maison Blanche!)

To give you further food for thought I thrown a few colours on in case you fancied really splashing out.  :laugh:

Hmmm, that does look particularly funky - Gulf colours would definatley give the shirt a bit of a lift.  I reckon we'd have even more people stop us and ask where they can buy one at LM if the Gulf colours were used.

I say go with the Gulf colours - I'd pay more (assuming additional screen costs)

Agree, so would I. Britlliant!

BTW Rusty can you now stop!!! lol

Ooooh - Gulf Colours...

Niiiiiccccceeeee  8)  ;D

Like it.  Can I have mine like that?

Rusty,
I think they all look great especially in the Gulf colours, although i like the Blue too.
My only slight criticism (there's always one, isn't there).
The speed lines running off the back wheel make it look like it is running on it's rims. ie no rear tyre.

I will now get my coat.

Colour for me Rusty, nice one.

Look forward to meeting you this year.

>Martini...

Gulf one is great - really looks like something now!

Prefer the Gulf version as well.

What !!! They didn't have run flat tyres??
Not a problem, I'll have a look at it.

Now I do like the coloured one as well.

Just a word of warning though - that would be 2 extra colours, and would make the T shirts an extra pound each.  Don't forget I had pegged the price at the same level as the past 3 or 4 years, and there wasn't much leeway in that price for additional printing costs.

The extra pound doesn't concern me - I will still go for the gulf-coloured one.  I am more concerned with collecting the extra from those that have already paid (with the exception of a few who paid me too much anyway).  I have already let a few underpayers (forgot to add Paypal fee or P&P) slip through on the understanding that they re-imburse me at LM. 

Del

Personally, Del, I think £10 is very cheap in this day and age - but I take your point about collecting the extra quid.  I can say this of course, I was too dim to read the original post and sent too much anyway!

Gulf colours lift it from good to excellent IMHO.

Suggest easiest way to pay difference is just to shove a pound coin, or whatever the difference, in an envelope, and post it to Del. Royal Mail actually still works quite well in this electronic age. :)

Del,

As for payment I have already mispaid by being £4 short, now if the shirts are £1 more then I will owe you £8 plus paypal charges. This is far more sensible for me to pay then just the £4.

My advice is that with the increase in shirt costs it is infact easier to collect surplus funds.

I'm happy to through a tenner into the kitty to even things out a bit.

Can I take it, then, that the Gulf-coloured design is the winner??

Do we need another poll??

Del

I would suggest you crack on with the Gulf colours design Del.

If we have anymore polls, we will need to form a focus group to design the new poll  ;)

Is there any likelihood that there will be completed shirts prior to Sebring?

If there is, then it would be better for both thee and me, if you posted mine to my mate in the UK who's coming with us.  Let me know and I'll pm you the address.

Del, who requires the layered artwork for that, you or Paddy ?

I can send it directly to the printers via ftp if required but it would be good to find out the exact size, res and format they require. Pantone colour spec would need to be sorted for the pale blue and orange and you could also print the black line art in a dark blue too if you prefer. I don't hold the type artwork for the Club Arnage url but if someone could send me that I can include it on the finished artwork.

Off to the pub, speak later.

Rusty

Let me know and I'll sort it later on tonite or tomorrow morning.

Rusty

Errrr....., I didn't really understand a lot of what you wrote, but I'm sure you and the printer does. :D

Send them to Paddy - shirts are being printed in NL.

It's what I'm aiming for - to get the shirts printed and shipped prior to Sebring.

What's the earliest date people are flying out?? 

And who is going (those that want T shirts, that is).  I recall these:

Steve Brown
Termie
DfH (x6?)
JPC
Rick Cutler
Smokie
gab
Martini
Doris
Nobby Diesel

As the shirts are being printed in Holland via Paddy, would it be a good idea if Paddy takes the shirts for the above direct to Sebring??  If time is tight, this would save the worry of using snail-mail to various parts of the country.

Del

From my point of view that sounds good to me Del.
I fly on Wednesday 14th March, others earlier (around 10th)

Del  can you add a medium size to my (our order)  please.  I have seen the others from Cheshire and "the cheque will be in the post!"  thankyou

And particular thanks to all responsible  for designing and producing the shirts, they are superb.

I fly out on the Monday.  If Paddy brings the t-shirt, great, but if he has baggage restriction problems, then it can go to the UK address and I'll pick it up on the way back if it's late.  Whatever is easiest is fine. Thanks for all the efforts. :)

I will be flying out with JPC on the 10th. Drinking for Holland has 9 going out there that day too. Is there any news on what the americans want?

If they are ready I am happy to collect at Sebring.

If Paddy and the guys can sort that great, will collect mine from them in SEBRING

(Please let me know Paddy)

>Martini...

Only one order from the US - that's Mogie (SonOfSebring).  I have PM'd him for payment, but heard nothing.

Del

Wikkid in the Gulf colours.. del boy.. would you like me to post you 2 squid or give to you at LM.. either way I dont mind :)

And only seven of those 9 are on the same flight, and will be bringing loads of orange colored shirts also. I could pack a bag with only t-shirts (two bags of 23 kg each per person allowd) but not shure how much problems that might give with customs when I arrive with a bag like that. Don't think they beleive when I state it's for own use only.  :police:

Hello chaps,

The finished artwork is winging its way to Paddy as we speak so it over to you from here. Look forward to seeing the finished article.

Rusty

So I guess we should bring an extra bag to get all the stuff over. Don't worry about customs, just say it is a gift to friends.

Marius. You may want to check this allowence. You might find it's 2 bags per person totaling 23 Kg

The allowance on my tickets say that I am allowed two bags weighing no more than 23Kg each. It is something to do with manual handling limits.

Rusty

Your curiosity would be satisfied that much earlier if you ordered a shirt yourself   ;) ;)

Del

Please can somebody post a definitive image of the front and rear of the T shirt as they are being printed. I keep reading through the topic and everytime there is a new image. I don't want to or even start trying to decide on whether to order one until I know exactly what i would be ordering.

Thanks
Regards
Chris.

Also what is the cost this year. In case you haven't noticed, the new way of listing pages on the forum has really screwed me up of late.

No!!

See here  for the front - although the year numbers will be 'upright'.
http://www.clubarnage.com/forum/index.php?topic=6502.msg82044#msg82044

and here for the (current) version of the back

http://www.clubarnage.com/forum/index.php?topic=6463.msg83054#msg83054

The back may yet undergo some slight modification, but the GT40 under the Dunlop bridge is a given.


All costs are shown in the first posting of the 'T shirt Orders' thread  (maybe it's the 'last' posting if you have 'Newest first' option checked in your profile), but basically the shirts are £11, car stickers are £1.25, £1.00 and £0.75 plus postage and Paypal fees where relevant.

I have to remind you (and everyone else) that the cut-off date is in a couple of weeks, and only the shirts ordered and paid for will be printed.  And there will not be a second print run this year!!

Del

Check those baggage allowances, guys!  According to an article in the paper yesterday, BA are soon to introduce a reduction to just 1 bag 23kg per person.  I've also read this elsewhere on the forum,haven't I?  Anybody know for a certainty that we'll be allowed 2?  It says so on my ticket but it also says, subject to change.....  humph.

We're flying Martinair, and up to now they allow two bags of 23 kilos each. Acces of weight up to 32 kilos will cost an extra €25, anything over that will cost €125.
So we're bringing a weight scale to the airport to divide everything properly between the seven of us before checking in ;)

check this out :o
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6341129.stm

take a second bag.. and pay for it!!

I'm flying Virgin to Orlando for Sebring, and they give you 2 bags at 23kg allowance for Trans Atlantic flights.

2 bags has always been the norm on all airlines for Trans Atlantic flights.


From the BBC news link above - "BA said that flights to the US, Canada, the Caribbean, Nigeria, Brazil and Mexico would be exempt from the new charges to bring policy "in line with the local government regulations".

So if you're flying BA for Sebring ..........



 

Yep booked Virgin too. The 23Kg limit is down to lifting rules. I think it is 23Kg for women and 32Kg for Men. The puzzling thing is that BAA employ NO female Baggage loaders???

Virgin are allowing two 23Kg Bags plus one item of carry on luggage no heavier then 14.5Kg.

Not too much difference to me as I can only carry one 25kg bag on my journey from Guernsey to Gatwick.

>Martini...

Orders for T shirts now closed

The table below shows what is currently ordered -  this is what has gone to the printers, so if you haven't checked your order, it's your fault if you get the wrong sized shirt.

Table also shows What is owed to me.

Don't forget I had to increase the price due to extra printing costs, and some people underpaid in the first instance.  Many thanks to those who have mailed me the extra.

I am quite prepared to wait till June at LM where, if sober enough, I will accept payment - alternatively, the extra can be mailed to me.  I would appreciate this money at some time - I won't be out of pocket on this exercise, but the charity fund will be, and it will not be fair to those that have paid the additional monies.

Name	Total			Shirts			|		Stickers		|	Payment	|	Amnt
	Shirts	XXL	XL	L	M	S	|	L	M	S	|	Rec'd	|	Owed
Bafty Crastard	1		1				|				|	Y	|
Barry	1	1					|		2		|	Y	|
Bob T	1		1				|			2	|	Y	|	0.50
Bob U	1		1				|		2	2	|	Y	|	1.00
Bobblehat	1		1				|				|	Y	|
Brian(L'pool Boys)	1		1				|		1		|	Y	|	1.00
Buck Bundy	1			1			|		1	1	|	Y	|
Championaudi	1		1				|		2	2	|	Y	|
Chris24	1			1			|				|	Y	|
Chris(Alibongo)	1				1		|		5		|	Y	|
Christopher	2				2		|		4		|	Y	|	2.00
Del	10		7	2	1		|		3		|	Y	|
DfH	12		2	6	4		|				|	Y	|	0.00
Doris	1					1	|	2	4	10	|	Y	|
fagey	2		2				|		2		|	Y	|	2.00
Gab	1			1			|				|	Y	|	1.00
garyfrogeye	1			1			|		2	2	|	Y	|	0.50
Gordonwr	3		2	1			|		2		|	Y	|
Jay(Team Cannonball)	3		2			1	|			1	|	Y	|	3.00
JPC	2		1	1			|				|		|	22.00
Lawnmower Man	4		2	1		1	|		4	1	|	Y	|	-1.25
Lord Steve	1			1			|		4		|	Y	|
Lorry	1	1					|	1	1		|	Y	|	1.00
Martini	1	1					|				|	Y	|	1.00
Matt Cockburn	1			1			|		1		|	Y	|	1.00
Mike C	3		2	1			|		2		|	Y	|
Mogie	2			2			|				|		|	22.00
Nickliv	1			1			|	1	2	3	|	Y	|
Nobby Diesel	1		1				|				|	Y	|	-1.00
nopanic	3		3				|	1	3	2	|	Y	|	-1.00
Nordic	2			2			|		3		|	Y	|
Papa Lazarou	2		2				|	3	3	6	|	Y	|	4.00
Perdu	1		1				|			2	|	Y	|
Piglet	4		2		2		|		6		|	Y	|
pretzel	2				2		|				|	Y	|	1.00
Rick Cutler	4		4				|	2		2	|	Y	|	4.50
RS2 Babe	3		1		2		|				|		|	36.00
Simon(WRC GT4)	2			1	1		|	4			|	Y	|
Smokie	4	2	2				|				|	Y	|
Steve Brown	2			2			|	2	2	2	|	Y	|	1.00
Termietermite	1		1				|				|	Y	|	-4.00
The Brethren	2		2				|				|	Y	|
TobyAnscombe	2		1		1		|	2	2	2	|	Y	|	4.00
Trackside	1				1		|		1		|	Y	|	1.00
W21SBY	1		1				|		2		|	Y	|	1.00
Werner	2	2					|		2		|	Y	|	-2.00
Wishy	2			2			|	2			|	Y	|	-1.00
Wookie	1		1				|	1			|	Y	|
		___	___	___	___	___	|	___	___	___	|		|
Totals	103	7	48	28	17	3	|	21	68	40	|		|	100.25

Hi Del,
I see that my CHQ for £3.00 has clearer the bank on the 7th of feb, so I am now all square with you.

Thanks,
Mike

Right then!
Can anybody direct me to the page that has the "Final Solution" for the design.
Got a bit pissed-off when I got to the page that suggests that We Omit the Union Jack malarky!
Jezarse, this is a Great British go to La Mans tradition !!!!!

Anyway ,,,, page please ,,,, anybody.

I understand that I've missed the Phase one edition (Rollocks!!!!) but when the 2nd edition comes along ,,,, I'm in!

Here it is --> http://www.drinkingforholland.com/Paddy/ClubArnageShirtCompleet.jpg

Got bad news for you though, only one run for shirts this year. All stuff is at the printers now.
Maybe I could ask them to throw in an extra shirt, if they have one available. Need size asap then :-\

Printers have started today. Definitely too late now for any extras.

Size is 1xL & 1x XXL.
The next post states printing has started ,,,,,, Bugger!
Thanks anyway.

Got mine in the post today.

Very nice, I must say ;D, and the extra sticker was a nice bonus too.

Thanks guys. 8)

Buck

Mine arrived this morning too.
I echo  Buck Bundy's sentiments and also that the T shirt is even better in real life than in virtual reality.
Now where to stick all these stickers :-\

Rear window is probably best if you don't want them on for long, easiest removal!

My T-shirt arrived today, great job, well done to all, and thanks for the sticker too Paddy

Now I can say to Mrs Bobblehat " I have to go to Le Mans. I have the T-Shirt!"

T-shirts arrived today, with stickers, ones on the back of mobile home already. Thanks for the extra one Paddy.

Thanks to all involved, ;D

Mike.

P.S How long till DFH polo shirts, Paddy?

Yahoo!

The tee-shirt has landed!

It looks great and the picture on the back is really striking.

And the stickers are bloomin' lovely too. (Echo MIKE C's remarks too, great extra one, thanks Paddy)

Now I know June isn't too far away.

 :D :D :D

LT has the "foreign shirts". I'll try to contact him after work time and keep you posted...

Thanks Paddy. :)

Thanks all for me stickers and t-shirt!!!!!
me little xtra waz most welcome ;D
just cant wait to goooooooooooooooooooooooo 8)

I have to concur ;D a fantastic job by everyone!!

T-shirt plus stickers, and the little extra, arrived yesterday.

Top work fellas for producing these beauties.

I shall give them all their first airing at pre-quals.

Thank you.

Shirts and bonus sticker received here too. Many thanks to all involved. Del - I think I still owe you a quid I think following a miscalculation along the way, please confirm and I'll hand over the equivalent in Euros at La Sarthe if that's OK.

Shirt will probably get an airing at Gurston Down this weekend.

Obviously you have yes.  A lot of the behaviour of the British contingent is, and has been for some time now, nothing short of disgraceful.

What disappoints me more than anything is the disrespect that many show to our hosts.  With good grace the French throw their community open to visitors from all over the world so that we can enjoy their classic sporting event.  All too often one witnesses excessive behaviour from many of the British 'fans'.

The number of times over the years I have heard and seen British fans verbally abusing the very French people who give their time to organise the event is absolutely shameful.  You only need to look at some of the other LM forums for examples of this sort of thing.  I know many will try and pass it off as 'humour' or 'light-hearted banter' but it is not.  It is disrespectful and when I witness such things it does make me feel ashamed to be British.

Maybe visitors from other countries behave in a similar manner, but this does not make it acceptable.

 :(

Preaching to the converted in my case o/t.  However, a French friend of mine who does the parking on Blanche, remarked to me after the race just how much more polite and friendly the Brits are to him than the French (sic).  We're like every other nation in that respect: some good, some bad.  I guess it's just with the booming English voices, lobster-coloured beer guts and Union Jacks everywhere, that the Brits just stand out more?

I wouldn't worry about that too much if I were you. There will always be people misbehaving, whatever nationality. Have a look at the film regarding the roundabout at Karting Nord on a Friday, loads of nationalities represented there, and not many are obeying the law there.
The Dutch are known to be rude as well when on holiday (like the Brits and the Germans), mostly in cheap resorts like Benidorm and simular places. I'm not ashamed of that, that ain't me. I lift my shoulders and walk on, in a behaved manner ;)

I don't think the people from Club Arnage misbehave in a disgracefull way anyway. This is a nice little clubby :)

Paddy, I am sure you are right about most of the CA contingent and I am also sure that visitors from other countries behave badly too but it does not stop me from feeling saddened by their behaviour.  More often than not one can only walk on by and behave, as an individual, in the manner that one would wish others would behave.

Call me old fashioned if you like but it does make me feel uncomfortable.

Well, after visited Sebring this year, one can only say I'm very glad the French police are not as irritating as their American colleagues :-\

That would be pretty difficult, Paddy!

What do you mean, language barrier?

Blimey oldtimer - you dragged this one up from the archive!!! You are quoting me from 12 January!!!!

F

And the US police dont get a go at you until Immigration have finished with you first!!!  ::)

F

Ditto re shirt & stickers.

Look out for No 91 on Sunday

LMAO - thats right, I nearly had a fight with a Dutch bloke about singing karaoke in Salou (I was working, it wasnt my chosen destination - honest) a few years ago - and to think that only a few minutes earlier we have been duetting with "You're the one that I want"!!

 ;D

F

Yeah - sorry about that, but for one reason or another I didn't look at this particular thread until today.

I can't comment on the American police as I have not had the opportunity to visit Sebring, but I have to say that in all the years of visiting Le Mans I have nothing but admiration for the way the French police in and around the track manage the LM weekend.

There is plenty of behaviour that they allow that under normal circumstances could not normally be tollerated - I am not just thinking about the type of behaviour I alluded to earlier but all sorts of things including various traffic and public order offences.

They seem to have an appreciation of the fact that, on the whole, people are there to have fun and they cut a little slack to facilitate this.  Fair play to them...  It is just a shame that their colleagues patrolling the roads down from the coast don't seem to have the same degree of tollereance  ;)

Bad behaviour at LM is nothing new. Mike Hawthorn himself got a girl pregnant at an after-race party and he never visited the kid.

The worst times were actually in the late 80's when the "Our Nige" fanclub (Mansell) used to visit. The punch-ups with the Germans in the Village Bierkeller were legendary, together with pig ignorance and the abuse of gate staff, bar workers, police and anyone else who got in the way.

The problem these days is a bit different, but to think it's restricted to the British is not correct. We probably show up on the radar more due to being the majority of fans. Whilst this doesn't make me proud, it certainly won't stop me flying the Union Jack either, to do so would be cowardice. Oh and the Commer will never fly the EU flag. Never I tell you.

Turning to your comment above, to be honest, I'm not sure the police actually "allow" it to go on, it's more a question of being unable to prevent it due to lack of resources. The area to patrol is so huge of course.

Having said that, I think Les Flics could spend their time far more productively by clamping down on the sometimes disgusting and dangerous behaviour of a minority of fans, at Houx Annex roundabout for example. Instead we see dozens of the useless jackbooted kepee-wearing knaves setting up yet more speed traps on the Mulsanne straight, strutting around, throwing their weight about and pretending to be big men by trying to catch folk exeeding 65mph, or horrror of horrors, spinning up their back wheels. Like police all over the world, the US included, Les Vaches see the motorist as an easy target. Le mans must prove to be an irrestistable opportunity to be fleece us to pay for their Xmas party.

Andy, you are right that bad behaviour is not only evident among the British contingent. I didn't mean to suggest that it was, but seeing a badly behaved group of German fans, for example, would not make me feel ashamed of being British.

Like you the bad behaviour of some British visitors would not stop me from 'flying the flag'.  On the contrary.  I have a fierce pride for my home country, and the bad behaviour of some of my compatriots is actually more likely to encourage me to make my nationality known so that others can see we are not all badly behaved grobians.

You may be right about the police being unable to prevent certain behaviour but I am not sure it always the case.  There have been occassions when I have seen situations that the police could easily have intervened in but have not.  Instead with a sort "just keep it under control boys" sort of look they have let things pass.  I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt because I think that on t he whole they do a great job at the race.

Having said that... yes they should put a stop to the sort of nonesense that goes on at Houx Annexe roundabout.  I suspect your tongue was in yuor cheek when you wrote that, but mine isn't.

Once again I am amazed at the in-depth knowlege of some CA members of the history of Le Mans!

F

The problem as a female wearing a t-shirt with a union flag is that coming back through the village at 11pm or midnight on the Saturday you'd have thought that the pissed (sunburned and vomiting) brits have never seen a woman before and they mainly have regressed to caveman like behaviour.  Usually I speak German to them and then ignore them but the flag on the arm gives them a bit of a heads up.   They don't even seem particuarly choosy in who they hassle!  

I have no problem with people having a drink and a good time, I do get fed up with being abused by pissed brits just because I happen to be female.  I've worked in motorsport for the best part of 9 years, I'm used to working in a male dominated enviroment and been to all sorts of events - LM is by far the worst and is the only place that I am actually concerned about my safety.  

Maybe the other nationalities do the same thing - I don't know, my German is not fab but I don't hear the same type of thing from Germans, it seems to me that it's the British binge drinking mentality on tour.  

 ??? You think that I might surreptiously approve of people using supersoakers to drown the interiors of classic cars, in water, beer, and piss? Of cars being hijacked by drunken and dangerous idiots? Of the chav-style verbal abuse of road users and other spectators? Of the reckless letting off of fireworks and rockets fired at the tented area? Of vandalism of the street furniture?  Throwing of beer bottles at the traffic? ???

I trust that your comment was tongue in cheek.... 

Piglet - I know have never met you, but really you shouldn't put yourself down like that...  ;)

Unbridled apologies - I know there are some CAers who enter into debate about HA or MB as the best place to camp I wasn't sure whether your comment was a tongue in cheek reference to that 'debate' in some way.

I would not expect any decent person to think the sort of behaviour you describe and I know goes on was acceptable.

Once again my sincere apologies.

 ;D What after a week at LM, without the patience to queue for a shower and then no hairdryer!  It's not a pretty sight ;D   

 ;D Ah, sorry, I see what you mean! Actually, I swing both ways, I'm an AC/DC sort of a camper in that I've used both sites and they both have their plus and minuses. The goings-on at the HA roundabout was a minus but the big plus with MB is that I've got three tix reserved annually with the ACO in perpetuity! Even if it is a bit hanky-up-cuff down there.

I wasn't joking about Mike Hawthorn either. He really did father a sprog with one of the locals. I'm only surprised he had the energy after 24 hours in a D Type, they made 'em tough in those days!

Blimey, I have never been hasselled - how attractive does that make me feel!!!  :-[

F

Edit:  Have decided I must just give off "Dont mess with me mate" kinda vibes.... perhaps thats it!

I am only surprised his "little fishes" were still swimming, I dont suppose they had air con fitted!!  :o

As an HA camper, I deplore the 'activities' at the roundabout and avoid them like the plague.
As a classic car owner and driver, I deplore the 'activities' at the roundabout and avoid them like the plague.

I enjoy camping in HA.  Generally the behavior in our neighbourhood is exemplaray (other than the occasional bonfire).  The 'activities' of the camping minority are, gladly, far enough away to not overly distract, but it does trouble me that this kind of thing is percieved by the youth of today as 'a laugh' - or have I become an old fart?

Any road up, this topic has drifted enough to not warrant the 'sticky', so I'll peel off the Bostic.

Er no.  I meant that it would be difficult to be more irritating than the US police.  Bloomin' 'eck were we that awful?  And where the fl*ck were they after the storm?  Hiding, I guess.