Club Arnage

Being under the flight path for Heathrow we're used to the background noise of flights making their approach every 3-5mins at its busiest, but not today, a bit eirie (sp), but a dam sight better than the potential alternative. Hope they dont shoot any suspects by mistake. Good job.

now you mention it, it is quiet isn't it.

All a bit scary if you ask me, hang the bastards!!

Bit OT really but i went to the cinema last night to see Miami Vice and 2 of teh trailers were terrorist films.

One being about some fictional bomb in LA, all a bit scary again

T'other being 'The World Trade Centre' brave move me thinks making a film about that. Got Nic Cage..................hmmmm

saying that..............i just heard a plane going over, very high up and a bit cloudy so couldn't see what it was but sounded like a passenger jet to me, iraq air i guess as they should be OK.

Many thanks to your U.K. police and government officials for being on top of this.  Great job they did and are doing.  This could have been a very bad day if it were not for them doing a splendid job these months zeroing in on these sub-humans.  Thanks guys!!!

It'll be interesting to see what makes it onto the news - from the sound of it so far it was a long time in the watching before striking.

MG Mark

Returned to Gatwick from Canada yesterday to find that my luggage is still in Toronto. Guess I'll have to wait a bit, all lines busy today - ServiceAir were busy enough yesterday without this going on,  I don't like to make a fuss considering the bigger picture. My CA tee shirt was in a case that did arrive but junior's prized Corvette LM 2006 Teeshirt is missing so far...Chances are that It's at Gatwick but how long it will take to arrive here, who knows?

try again tomorrow.....

D.A.

How about a total ban on all muslim travel worldwide bar none ?
Radical, hey , sh*t happens.
Just a thought.

Alternatively, muslim only flights / airlnes

Until people start to behave

I'll second that ;D

Thanks John, but I'm led to beleive that most thanks should go to the Pakistani Authorities. They picked up a couple of "British" visitors who were over there and up to no good. In Pakistan they have a slightly less "enlightened" attitude to questioning those in custody than we do in the UK. According to a Pakistani friend of mine the police have been known to offer the suspect a nice cup of tea, ask him to inspect the gallows at the end of the corridor and then enquire if he'll be interested in dangling from the big hook in the ceiling in a few weeks time. Like most of the Al Quaeda Senior Executives, they are essentially cowards, prefering those lower down the food chain to do the actual dirty work of blowing themselves up. Needless to say it can't have been long before our two compatriots must have been singing like canaries...

I like that idea.
I will get my surface to air rocket ready.

Another worrying thing.

Whilst all this is going on, who is running the country?

Coco the Clown, Oops sorry I meant John Prescot  :o  :o

Ok, I know this isn't the place for politics and the mods can remove this post if they want to, but....
Lets not tar everyone with the same brush here.
What we are talking about is extremists hanging on to the Muslim faith, not Muslims in general.
Cat Stevens and Imran Khan are Muslims and I don't think they are likely to be looking to blow anything up.

The IRA used to blow things up in London, they are 'Catholics' and the UDA/UVF used to murder people  and blow things up in The North they are 'Protestants', but we didn't  call for Catholic/ Protestant only shops and bars and then make comments like "I'm ready with my grenades".
My family are Catholics but I don't inmtend to go out and blow up a Protestant.

Yes the people responsible for 9/11 and this plan are evil and deserve to be hunted down and dealt with but they do not represent the Muslim faith in general..

A little tolerance goes a long way in this world.

Apparently Prescott's not in charge, I guess Yo Blair's astute enough to know that the public hold Prescott in utter comtempt and treat him as a fat fool. I understand Big John's absolutely hopping mad about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4782729.stm

I still think he looks like Matt Harper. Prescot that is, not Coco.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=423412654049302774&hl=en

Steve, I can't see how a little political debate on CA can hurt provided we keep it reasonable and within the rules of the Forum. I think you'll find Randy was joking. What's slightly less amusing is this article in the Grauniad -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1804078,00.html#article_continue

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiments, this poll does make for pretty uncomfortable reading.

The mods can also remove this if they feel a need, but.

British muslims are, to a very large extent related to muslims who were under attack in Uganda and possibly other African places. This was in the seventies when many of us were too young to watch the news or too young to have been born. Sadly they were subjected to terrorism by the regime, property was stolen off them (No other way to describe it) and they were desperate for someone to help them.

This country stuck up for them, actively helped many of them to get out of trouble there and made thousands of them welcome here. This country being the United Kingdom. I don't remember many other countries being over enthusiastic in giving them assistance.

The Ugandan monster was actually, very noisily concerned that the Asians in his country were taking it over and was acting, in his loudly stated opinion, to prevent his nation being changed against their will, so he began the ethnic attacks.

We made them welcome fed and clothed them and allowed them to bring in relatives etcetera.

Now it seems we should ask, why?

I was less scared when we were under threat from Russia and H bombs than I am now, and these are folks we helped.

I dont see them attacking Uganda. I do not understand why so many of them hate me, I have had many mates from their community in my time.

(OK I am asking for it with that bit I know, Fran)

I never even voted for B-liar

Eh?  ???

Err...

"I do not understand why so many of them hate me"

that bit Fran, I was worrited about presumptuousnessnessness!

needn't have worrried hey?

Oh Perdu - I am not such a harsh judge of character as you imagine!  8)

Bill, as far as I know, none of those arrested this time, or indeed previously, have any background at all with the Ugandan Asians. The UA's represent a relatively small prortion of the muslim population of the UK, and most of them have become sucessful in business and the professions. Certainly as far as I know UA's do not make up the disaffected segment of the community to whom you refer in your post.

Having said that, I've decided I've totally had enough of all religion. It's such a load of codswallop in my opinion. I'm not saying it can't teach us something but all that nonsense about heaven and hell and a greater being watching over us. The whole thing is an artifice, all built on a lie. I find myself reaching for "The Thirst for Annihilation"  by Nick Land, the great writer-philosopher, who makes some interesting comments on religion-

"I have not been a theist for a single second of my life. In my first assemblies at primary school, when the theistic idiocy was first wheeled out, I remember thinking: it is natural that adults should lie to you, but is it really necessary for them to insult the intelligence quite this much? As for the longing to believe, nothing is more alien to me, because nothing is more obvious than the fact that humanity - far from being a creation - is a disease. Why should the absence of a divinity analogical to mankind be more disturbing than the absence of a giant tortoise supporting the world on its back? If pressed, I would be forced to argue that the latter belief offers more consolation, adds greater richness to cosmology, exhibits greater intellectual sophistication. Monotheists are like those dull and uninspired children who compel you to patronise them. In the end, one has to ignore them, one cannot stoop far enough to argue, after all, if they are capable of believing such things, what are they not capable of believing?"

I though that the Ugandan Asians (and the Kenyan) came from Gujerat, which is predominantly Hindu

Its more complicated; remember that Bin Laden was a rich kid, not a refugee.

I have to agree with Zarse on religion, "It's such a load of codswallop", but codswallop never killed anyone

Absolutely agree with ant-itheists, (in the main and reserving my right to change the old mind at any time death might be imminent,  ;D) Andy.

However, FYI the lawyer that is fighting for most of the terrorist suspects in police custody and has been fighting hard to save the evil Dr Hook character Abu Hamza, Ms Mussadar Arani came to this country as a nine year old when her family was expelled by Idi Amin's government. She was born in Kampala. She is also defending Muktar Said-Ibrahim one of those arrested last year for trying to blow up the transport system.

This is of course a successful business woman.

If she were grateful to us she doesn't seem able to show it, even though she has raked in over a million pounds from legal aid.

Oddly enough this came into prominence in this morning's paper and doesn't reassure me.

Still worried...

Bill I said the UA's had done bloody well!!

But since when was acting as a defence lawyer a crimainal offence? Does that make the bloke who defended Ian Huntley the equivalent of a murderer? I have rarely met a "moral" lawyer nor one not happy to make a fortune from the Legal Aid fund.

Nor did religion per se, it's just so many words in a book. However, people acting in the name of religion is another matter.

The Land quote continues-

"In the first moment in which I understood what I was being asked to believe I immediately knew WHY I was being asked to do so. Could there be a less subtle, a more brutal way of trying to frighten people into being good? I cannot think of one, however strenuous my attempts. God the father ... what could be less challenging than a psychoanalysis of monotheism? A delusion that refuses to hide itself, to mask or complicate itself, to compromise its tedious insanity; its critics - after scarcely begining the task of demolition - have always caught themselves yawning. The great defence mechanism of this cult; to be too uninteresting to fight. Morality has clung to inanity with an unmatched fervour, the most hated heretics were always those who threatened to introduce thought, enquiry, or style into religion; to undermine its monotony. To be burnt by the church it sufficed to question the omnibanality of God."

Eternal damnation for you, sinner.

A bit quiet, you're not kidding!
I've been wearing the same underpants for the last three weeks now. Mind you, my luggage was returned a little while ago so that can't be used as an excuse any more, I think I'll just call it my own little experiment.
Prompted by this outbreak of airbound madness, a friend of mine has misguidedly joined the the Anti Terrapin Squad. I'm sure he thinks he's going to make a difference, and I can see him now, rooting around at the bottom of the garden lifting up the fronds of broad leaved plants, taking peeks underneath and trying to look hard. No pond is safe. His goal is to get his hands on the Terrapins head, but I'm not putting any money on him, they can be cunning b*stards, and how many places are there in High Wycombe are there to hide? A lot, I'd say.
All in all, I can recommend Marks & Spencers, and might drop a testimonial off at their local branch this afternoon.
Can I come out now, sergeant?
H

In response to the lack of piety displayed by messers Zarse and Harper, as well as the shortage of clean underwear alluded to by Mr. H, I offer the following product, availaible (surprise!) from the U.S.  Home of all things good, evil-repellant and fluffy soft.  All this with the added benefit of registering your unwavering support for the home team.  Get yours before 2010! (In the event of Armageddon, refunds will not be available).  ;D


(http://armorofgodpjs.com/images/home.jpg)
http://armorofgodpjs.com/product_information.htm

I bow down before your pious pajamas. I've no doubt they'd put a stop to any nocturnal impure thoughts, words or deeds. Precisely why they are styled like a medieval middle eastern carpet salesman and his wife must remain one of God's mysteries.

I can only ask the Good Lord to give us our daily bread, failing that I'll have to get some from the Carrefour bakery. These bars look tasty mind. The seven foods of the Deuteronoy are of course Jaffa cakes, Kelloggs Crunchy Nut Cornflakes, Richmond Irish Recipe Pork Sausages, Cornetto (original flavour), Monster Munch, Picalilli and a holy Sherbert fountain.

Do the PJs come with boxing gloves?

"The Holy Sherbert Fountain"!!

This could be what our youngsters in the pyjamas are a-questing. It's a dead cert for the new CA tee shirt if you ask me, in fact over the waffles and Red Bull with our vicar this afternoon I'll try and ply her into doing some modelling. She's not exactly Rowena, but mind you, neither am I.

I have to admit though, they do look cute, in a sort of King Richard and Let's Dismember The Christians sort of way.
H

PS I suspect that they'll find the Holy Sherbert Fountain in the same neighborhood as the Terrapins Head. It's just a hunch...

Obviously not.

That would be silly.   ;D

Guys this religion lark is a complicated business is it not? I mean, even going to the lavatory isn't exactly a walk in the park. I'd no idea Islam required such devotion, persobnally I've enough trouble remembering to pull my trousers up without all this washing the fardh palava.

http://www.gmwa.org.uk/qna/viewquestion.php?QuestionID=432&TopicID=3

It's a bloody good job Le Mans isn't in Saudi, the queues would be even worse than normal at the latrines on the El-Maison Blanche wadi.

I had a teacher at school who was an old terrapin; she taught us.  :D