Title: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Werner on April 10, 2006, 09:06:00 am
Almost spilled my coffee while laughing when reading that yesterday's Le Mans Series 1000 km race in Istanbul had to be shortened to 4 hours because there wasn't enough fuel available at the racetrack :o :o :o
First I thought it to be a late april fool, but apparantly exactly this happened.
Not enough fuel at an automobile race, what a masterpiece of organisation ;D ;D ;D
By the way: Bouillon / Collard in the Pesca won...
First I thought it to be a late april fool, but apparantly exactly this happened.
Not enough fuel at an automobile race, what a masterpiece of organisation ;D ;D ;D
By the way: Bouillon / Collard in the Pesca won...
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: hgb on April 10, 2006, 09:13:51 am
This is a disgrace... the teams put in that much effort to put on a spectacular show and then the organisers manage to spoil it all, unbelievable. Yet again they also managed sucessfully to keep spectators off. >:(
I very much hope that this is it for Istanbul. They don't deserve a LMS race.
I very much hope that this is it for Istanbul. They don't deserve a LMS race.
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Steve Pyro on April 10, 2006, 10:45:09 am
I'm still struggling to see the sense in having an LMES race in Istanbul.
I know Turkey is supposed to be in the EU and this is a European series, but the majority of fans live in 'western' Europe / Scandinavia.
There MUST be an alternative venue for next year?
I know Turkey is supposed to be in the EU and this is a European series, but the majority of fans live in 'western' Europe / Scandinavia.
There MUST be an alternative venue for next year?
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: RichUK on April 10, 2006, 11:28:40 am
From the highlights on Motors TV it looked a cracking race.
Did I hear that they only told the teams the race was going to be shortened after the race started?
Did I hear that they only told the teams the race was going to be shortened after the race started?
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Paddy_NL on April 10, 2006, 12:02:53 pm
There MUST be an alternative venue for next year?
Don't push your luck, they haven't even got an alternative for Monza yet :-\Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Lorry on April 10, 2006, 12:18:02 pm
If all else fails there's Zandvoort.
Anyway, I didn't realise that the circuit provided the fuel. I thought this was abandoned in 1988? when Le Mans bought some cheap stuff from Carrefour, and everything was melting pistons.
If they have a central supplier (like Shell) then they should know how much is needed. Perhaps it got nicked.
And the remains of the fuel tank system (a series of manholes etc) are by the pit wall opposite the far right hand pit. Strangely it wasn't dug out when the pits were rebuilt. Just be careful where you drop your dog ends [/anorak off]
Anyway, I didn't realise that the circuit provided the fuel. I thought this was abandoned in 1988? when Le Mans bought some cheap stuff from Carrefour, and everything was melting pistons.
If they have a central supplier (like Shell) then they should know how much is needed. Perhaps it got nicked.
And the remains of the fuel tank system (a series of manholes etc) are by the pit wall opposite the far right hand pit. Strangely it wasn't dug out when the pits were rebuilt. Just be careful where you drop your dog ends [/anorak off]
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Paddy_NL on April 10, 2006, 12:55:23 pm
Le Mans has got a complete refulling system underneath their pitboxes, I was told at the RfH-factory. Apparently the ACO charge the teams about €7,- a litre :-\
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: hgb on April 10, 2006, 01:00:32 pm
That 's around 25.000 Euros just for fuel. :o
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Lorry on April 10, 2006, 01:17:25 pm
This is odd. You'd put a lot of effort into setting up the engine management for a particular fuel, and then not trust anything else. They must have a central supplier of race fuel, but god knows what rubbish there must be in the pipes, and E7 a litre is expensive
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Werner on April 10, 2006, 03:51:55 pm
Did I hear that they only told the teams the race was going to be shortened after the race started?
Yes, this was announced app. 90 mins after the start...
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Nordic on April 10, 2006, 05:11:55 pm
This is odd. You'd put a lot of effort into setting up the engine management for a particular fuel, and then not trust anything else. They must have a central supplier of race fuel, but god knows what rubbish there must be in the pipes, and E7 a litre is expensive
The ACO issue a spec sheet for the fuel used.
http://www.lemans.org/sport/sport/reglements/pages/24hauto_gb.html
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Doris on April 10, 2006, 05:48:06 pm
Not enough fuel at an automobile race, what a masterpiece of organisation ;D ;D ;D
Why do the words piss-up and brewery both spring to mind?? :o
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Piglet on April 10, 2006, 06:13:12 pm
There's usually a central supplier or a fuel sponsor which I'm imagine is the case here.
What a cock up though!!
What a cock up though!!
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 10, 2006, 09:14:56 pm
If they have a central supplier (like Shell) then they should know how much is needed. Perhaps it got nicked.
Easy to tell - just look out for the fast-as-f**k mini-cabs on the streets of downtown Istanbul!
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Lorry on April 10, 2006, 11:04:58 pm
Easy to tell - just look out for the fast-as-f**k mini-cabs on the streets of downtown Istanbul!
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Steve Pyro on April 10, 2006, 11:22:21 pm
Easy to tell - just look out for the fast-as-f**k mini-cabs on the streets of downtown Istanbul!
..... and definately not south of the river ::)
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: smokie on April 10, 2006, 11:24:55 pm
At 93.9p a litre today I can't say I blame them...
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: redstu on April 11, 2006, 12:05:42 am
I wonder what they charge for diesel ? Maybe Audi have been looking to save on the Fuel Bill!
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: rcutler on April 11, 2006, 12:08:34 am
Just 93.9!!!! i had to pay 96.9 yesterday as I was low on fuel, it then spotted 103.9 for diesel later in the day!!!!!
Diesel in is supposed to be 4p a litre cheaper then petrol, as said by the chancellor in the 2003 budget.
Diesel in is supposed to be 4p a litre cheaper then petrol, as said by the chancellor in the 2003 budget.
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Paddy_NL on April 11, 2006, 12:12:05 am
I found out why there was not enough fuel at the Instanbul-circuit>>
Unleaded for €1,72 a litre, that's £1.20 ! :o
Code:
Turkey:
Price in liras - Price in euros
Unleaded 95: 2,54 - 1,58
Unleaded 98: 2,77 - 1,72
Diesel: 2,15 1,34
LPG: 1,17 0,73
Unleaded ('Kursunsuz benzin') is easily obtainable.
Unleaded for €1,72 a litre, that's £1.20 ! :o
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Barry on April 11, 2006, 02:13:39 pm
Diesel in is supposed to be 4p a litre cheaper then petrol, as said by the chancellor in the 2003 budget.
The last time I believed anything a chancellor said I was still at school.
And that was Healey saying that he was going to sqeeze the rich untill the pips squeaked.
Only difference is that the present incumbant has forgotton the rich bit, and is screwing everyone. >:(
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Simon13 on April 11, 2006, 03:48:02 pm
I bet evryting runs smoothly when Sir Bernie Ecclescake rolls into town
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Fax on April 11, 2006, 03:56:07 pm
Yeah, it ran so well when they rolled into Indy last year too ::)
Fax
Fax
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Matt Harper on April 11, 2006, 07:57:16 pm
Don't get me started on fuel prices!
I had to pay $2.64 a gallon yesterday - it was 99c When I moved here in 2001
I had to pay $2.64 a gallon yesterday - it was 99c When I moved here in 2001
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Barry on April 11, 2006, 07:58:55 pm
Don't get me started on fuel prices!
I had to pay $2.64 a gallon yesterday - it was 99c When I moved here in 2001
I had to pay $2.64 a gallon yesterday - it was 99c When I moved here in 2001
Is that a US gallon, or UK ;) ;)
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Matt Harper on April 11, 2006, 08:05:51 pm
Never really figured that one out Barry - why US galls are different to the old imperial measure, I've no idea. Aside from the gentle piss-taking, it is becoming a worry here too. The entire economy revolves around gasoline and $3 per gallon is a certainty within the next week or so in FL (It varies significantly state to state). All kinds of hilarious excuses - the latest being increased price for 'summer-blend' fuel.
I'm planning a road-trip to AZ soon and my 'Burban does an impressive 15mpg - so not much change out of $600 for petrol there and back - that blows.
I'm planning a road-trip to AZ soon and my 'Burban does an impressive 15mpg - so not much change out of $600 for petrol there and back - that blows.
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: hgb on April 11, 2006, 09:18:36 pm
Why not move on to LPG ? I've done that a couple of years ago and although I'm driving a gas guzzler (for European standards) it helps to keep the bills low. See Paddy's post: 'Just' 72 Cents for 1 liter of LPG in Turkey, I pay 69 Cents over here and 47 Cents in Belgium.
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 11, 2006, 09:19:33 pm
my 'Burban does an impressive 15mpg
You run your car on bourbon? Fantastic idea! I'm off to the pub for a gallon of guinness to see how the westfield likes it... ;D
Title: Re: Not enough fuel in Istanbul
Post by: Barry on April 12, 2006, 02:31:33 pm
Why not move on to LPG ? I've done that a couple of years ago and although I'm driving a gas guzzler (for European standards) it helps to keep the bills low. See Paddy's post: 'Just' 72 Cents for 1 liter of LPG in Turkey, I pay 69 Cents over here and 47 Cents in Belgium.
The reluctance in the Uk to change to LPG is due to the lack of petrol stations selling the stuff, and we know if it gets to popular good old Gordon will whack up the taxes on it.
