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Title: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 08, 2005, 06:51:50 pm
Some people might be interested to know the good news that the A28 (motorway) opened between Rouen and Alencon at the end of October.  This cuts aboout an hour off the journey from the northern ports of Dieppe, Calais etc. and means that if you're in a rush you can take motorway all the way to Le Mans.   :)

Bad news is it's a peage and costs 10 euroquids.   :(


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Kpy on December 08, 2005, 09:14:34 pm
So it was!!
I know there's another thread open somewhere, but this is just to tell you that the new Rouen - Alencon section of the A 28 was opened today.
The Eccomoy - Tours section will open in December.
;)


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lorry on December 08, 2005, 10:23:26 pm
At last we know how much it costs to save half an hour


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Perdu on December 08, 2005, 10:33:01 pm
I think it'll save me more than half an hour Lorry.

If it can keep me out of that industrial area at Rouen it'll save me pulling my hair out too!

 :D

bill


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lorry on December 08, 2005, 10:41:18 pm
Rouen is still the problem. The new road aims to the left of Rouen, so there's hope for a new bridge and bypass.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Perdu on December 08, 2005, 10:52:40 pm
You'd think they could have got that right, wouldn't you? When our ministry built the first motorway it was intended as a by-pass round Preston.

If ever a place needed by-passing more than Preston...

 ???


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 09, 2005, 08:17:19 am
I don't know what the signposting is like around Rouen for the new motorway, but here in Alencon they forgot to put up any signs for it.  And when they did they pointed the sign for Rouen in the direction of Le Mans!
 :o :o


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: SmithA on December 09, 2005, 08:24:50 am
ok i am getting a bit confused now, not to hard i hear you say

where abouts do we pick the new road up? is it before Rouen or is it after the roundabout with all the plastic cows on it.

Andy


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 09, 2005, 08:32:43 am
The new bit fills in the gap in the the A28 - it now runs from Calais to Le Mans and on to the south-west of France.  Until October there was a gap between Rouen and Alencon and you had to take the road of death, the N138.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Perdu on December 09, 2005, 10:31:27 am
Geordie, make me a happy man, tell me that the trip "Through" Rouen is now one of choice rather than necessity.... please.

 ???


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lorry on December 09, 2005, 11:01:38 am
The map on the A28 website showed it ending at the Caen Rouen Motorway, a few miles from the "Rondpoint aux Vaches"

Please, somebody make my day, tell me it goes all the way to the Calais road


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2005, 11:30:01 am

Please, somebody make my day, tell me it goes all the way to the Calais road

Sorry to ruin your day Lorry, but you still have to go through Rouen, or cross the Seine at the Pont de Brotonne south of Yvetot.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lorry on December 09, 2005, 11:44:41 am
Whats the road over Pont De Brotonne like - is this to be a CA recommended route?

I hadn't realised there was a bridge between Tancarville and Rouen, I thought it was all National Park


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 09, 2005, 11:47:59 am
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Sorry to ruin your day Lorry, but you still have to go through Rouen, or cross the Seine at the Pont de Brotonne south of Yvetot.

Yep - the Rouen western bypass is at the planning stage and the (badly needed) eastern bypass is still under consideration.  So the stop-start-beat-the lights-chop-the-lanes game around Rouen goes on for the time being.  You don't want it too easy, do you?   :P


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lorry on December 09, 2005, 11:55:04 am
From Maporama, it seems about 10 miles longer through Yvetot.  Must be worth a try, as I haven't found a bad road in France yet, except the Periphique/Rouen etc


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: chrisbeatty on December 09, 2005, 11:57:44 am
the road of death, the N138.

For some of us it's the road of fun!! ;D 

Though it does depend on what you're driving & is only to be taken at speed on the way down when the blood/booze levels are low!!

Hopefully the new road will keep the trucks away from the N138?? It'll also make the trip home on Monday much easier!!


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2005, 12:03:48 pm
Whats the road over Pont De Brotonne like - is this to be a CA recommended route?

I hadn't realised there was a bridge between Tancarville and Rouen, I thought it was all National Park


The bridge is by a village called Caudebec
If the road through Rouen is clear then this route is slower, and longer, however if you are going to hit Rouen during the morning or evening rush hour it is worth considering. Some extra tolls are involved, can't remember how much but it's not huge, as the motorway to Yvetot is paege, and there is a toll on the bridge itself.
Road south, D490/D913 to Bourg-Achard, is a pleasant run down the side of the Foret de Brotonne, part of the National Park. From here you have an option of dropping down to Bourgtheroulde to pick up the N138, or hopefully access the new motorway fairly easily near Bourg-Achard.
N.B. This is not a fast route, but prehaps more relaxing than a traffic jam in Rouen.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2005, 12:11:22 pm

Hopefully the new road will keep the trucks away from the N138?? It'll also make the trip home on Monday much easier!!


Think it will take some of the HGV traffic off the N138, however there will still be a lot of lorries going in and out of the industrial/commercial estates at every town along the route. Last time I used the N138 I would estimate that over 35% of HGV's were turning off at the towns along the route.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 09, 2005, 12:45:53 pm
Point taken about Yvetot maybe being the better option to avoid Rouen's jams at peak traffic periods.  ViaMichelin still recommends the eastern route http://tinyurl.com/du5q3
I particularly like the instruction at stage 5 - 'Pass Rouen' HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Steve Pyro on December 09, 2005, 02:28:09 pm
Geordie, old horse.

For long web addresses, try this - http://tinyurl.com/


Here's your ViaMichelin link condensed http://tinyurl.com/du5q3

(it saves having to use the horizontal scroll bar as well!)


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 09, 2005, 03:43:40 pm
Ta v much, Steve - will do!   :-[


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Perdu on December 09, 2005, 04:25:58 pm
I like that information just above "Pass Rouen"

The bit with a speed camera AND the relevant speed limit.

I wonder if we can get that sort of info off the AA or RAC for the UK.

Should I hold my breath until?

 ;D


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 09, 2005, 04:38:16 pm
Yep, it is a pretty neat thing for them to add speed camera locations to route directions, isn't it?  One thing, though - it's been in the news recently that they are investing in more speed guns for mobile patrols - toys for les flics to play with if they get bored polishing their other guns.

Just after Le Mans this year they interviewed the chef cochon of the Sarthe who proudly reported a record number of breath checks as well during Le Mans race week.  But the only Brit they copped wasn't even there for the race! 


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: jpchenet on December 09, 2005, 07:04:51 pm
I like that information just above "Pass Rouen"


I think it's even funnier that it tells Steve it will only cost him 11.48 Euros in petrol!!!!!  (http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif)


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Steve Pyro on December 09, 2005, 07:32:32 pm
I like that information just above "Pass Rouen"


I think it's even funnier that it tells Steve it will only cost him 11.48 Euros in petrol!!!!!  (http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif)

Thanks Mark  ;D  That'll be 11.48 euros for the petrol for our generator then!

More like 211.48 euros  ::)



Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Nordic on December 10, 2005, 05:07:41 pm
Whats the road over Pont De Brotonne like - is this to be a CA recommended route?

I hadn't realised there was a bridge between Tancarville and Rouen, I thought it was all National Park


The bridge is by a village called Caudebec
If the road through Rouen is clear then this route is slower, and longer, however if you are going to hit Rouen during the morning or evening rush hour it is worth considering. Some extra tolls are involved, can't remember how much but it's not huge, as the motorway to Yvetot is paege, and there is a toll on the bridge itself.
Road south, D490/D913 to Bourg-Achard, is a pleasant run down the side of the Foret de Brotonne, part of the National Park. From here you have an option of dropping down to Bourgtheroulde to pick up the N138, or hopefully access the new motorway fairly easily near Bourg-Achard.
N.B. This is not a fast route, but prehaps more relaxing than a traffic jam in Rouen.

Agreed, it makes alot of sense to use this route if you are using Dieppe, but from Calais it is quite a few extra miles.

I have not used the bridge for 3 years now, and the last time I did we split up, 1/2 thru Rouen the others over the bridge, the bridge was about 30 mins longer but alot less stress and fewer chances of map reading cockups.

Experiance has shown us that if you go wrong in Rouen it can really spoil your day.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 10, 2005, 06:41:33 pm
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fewer chances of map reading cockups
I gave up trying to read a map and driving at the same time - also no longer let the wife look at the map and say things like 'You have to turn left somewhere up ahead', 'This road isn't on the map' and 'I think you should have turned left back there'.  Just keep a list of major towns along the route, follow any signs for the same and if in doubt keep straight on.  Crap advice?  Maybe, but it works for me.  I think the buggery bit  is when you hit that bit where you have to filter right, you're trapped in the left lane and have to cut across to the right - woooaaaaahhh! :o :o


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Chris24 on December 10, 2005, 06:58:53 pm
You'd think they could have got that right, wouldn't you? When our ministry built the first motorway it was intended as a by-pass round Preston.

If ever a place needed by-passing more than Preston...

 ???
What are you saying about my lovely city Perdu ?

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, thank you !


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Chris24 on December 10, 2005, 07:04:56 pm
Last year, our biggest problems apart from the Rouen hold ups, were over an hour was lost queueing for 3 poxy traffic lights on the N138 ! I got out and walked few 1 /2 mile and beat the car !


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lorry on December 10, 2005, 08:27:01 pm
I think the buggery bit  is when you hit that bit where you have to filter right, you're trapped in the left lane and have to cut across to the right - woooaaaaahhh! :o :o
Isn't it to the left?  or is that coming back - its a real pain with a caravan, and yes I know we get in the way, but only at Rouen


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Geordie on December 10, 2005, 08:45:10 pm
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Isn't it to the left?  or is that coming back - its a real pain with a caravan, and yes I know we get in the way, but only at Rouen
I think if you cut to the left you cross the central reservation - I've never tried it myself, but .... :o :o :o


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Perdu on December 10, 2005, 09:31:49 pm
You'd think they could have got that right, wouldn't you? When our ministry built the first motorway it was intended as a by-pass round Preston.

If ever a place needed by-passing more than Preston...

 ???
What are you saying about my lovely city Perdu ?

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, thank you !


Hmm, Chris. I think I was saying that Rouen needed by-passing more than Preston. Wasn't I?

I do remember the excitement when I was a kid when travelling to Scotland in dad's Austin Ruby, year after year to see how much further the "New" motorway had spread towards the climb over Shap. (Travelling at an exciting 35mph to Bonny Scotland every year) Even when we had the A40 Devon or the A35 each year was an adventure.

And we used to stop at Preston for a cuppa before the By - pass was opened, I quite liked it in a young kid on holiday sort of way...


So to paraphrase my (rich) hero Michael Winner, "don't take on so, it's only a commercial"

 8)



Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Nordic on December 11, 2005, 08:46:43 am
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fewer chances of map reading cockups
I gave up trying to read a map and driving at the same time - also no longer let the wife look at the map and say things like 'You have to turn left somewhere up ahead', 'This road isn't on the map' and 'I think you should have turned left back there'.  Just keep a list of major towns along the route, follow any signs for the same and if in doubt keep straight on.  Crap advice?  Maybe, but it works for me.  I think the buggery bit  is when you hit that bit where you have to filter right, you're trapped in the left lane and have to cut across to the right - woooaaaaahhh! :o :o

Know what you mean, this year due to last minute drop out I drove on my own.  Without the aid, or interferance, of a map reader i got there and back with out getting lost once, and i got to choose the music!

The junction you are talking about I guess, is at the top of the hill just before you get into Rouen on the way home, everyone is in the  outside lane storming up the hill when you need to get across sharpish to the right otherwise you have a nice trip thru Rouen city centre.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lorry on December 11, 2005, 07:12:51 pm
I think if you cut to the left you cross the central reservation - I've never tried it myself, but .... :o :o :o
I friend of mine did once, it makes a real mess of the car and the 'van - thats how I got the cheap awning

I'm sure at the end of the industrial area road, you have to fight your way to the left, and then go up a semi circular bit onto the bridge, but I recall they were rebuilding that.  I've gone via Caen the last couple of years so it may be all different.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: redstu on December 12, 2005, 12:37:37 am
Aaaagh

I had thought that with the new Peage the route from the Tunnel would be easy, seems that I was wrong.

Our small convoy (3 cars) with no previous experience of Rouen should be passing sometime on Thursday after taking the tunnel at about 13:00 (folkstone).

Would an eta at the circuit of about 19:00 be taking it easy


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Kpy on December 12, 2005, 11:28:16 am
ok i am getting a bit confused now, not to hard i hear you say

where abouts do we pick the new road up? is it before Rouen or is it after the roundabout with all the plastic cows on it.

Andy
From the "cow roundabout" you take the usual route to join the A13 motorway - signed to Caen and Le Mans. The junction with the A28 - signed Alencon and Le Mans comes up almost exactly 10 miles after you join the A13.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Gilles on December 12, 2005, 04:32:39 pm
For those people wanting to come with their spouses and include a touristic trip to the Loire Valley, the Le Mans-Tours last section of the A28 will be open next wednesday, so you won't have to drive across Chateau du Loir and its memorious traffic jam.


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Bob U on December 12, 2005, 04:43:21 pm
For those people wanting to come with their spouses
Don't be silly Gilles


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lorry on December 29, 2005, 10:13:05 pm
........, so you won't have to drive across Chateau du Loir and its memorious traffic jam.
And don't forget the wonderous one way system


Title: Re: Getting to Le Mans
Post by: Lord Buddha on May 31, 2006, 09:45:52 pm
Does anyone think that a little carpet bombing of Rouen (in the style of our hero Bomber Harris) would encourage the foul French to speed the road improvements up?