Club Arnage

for this kind of thing?


www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/car-tree-p1.php

slippery when wet ;D

http://media.putfile.com/Grand_AM_Rain_Wreck

LOL - It still never stops amazing me how people stand on the outside of a corner and he was a F****** marshall!

Spin and you can just as easily turn inside a bend, believe me ive been there, but  i see the point...

The outside of the corner is indeed a dangerous place to be - but it shows you how solid trees are - it didn't even move a bit when the car hit it.   As for the aquaplaning skating rink.......

Lots of good videos on that site and it is not firewalled at work  ;D

this one is funny ;D
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/motorway-video-game-p1.php
(but was it mentioned here before?)

Sorry Paddy, call me boring, but I don't see anything to laugh at in this at all.  It's not funny if it causes another driver to swerve into the path of a truck and get mangled, is it.  Antics like this cause innocent people to get killed, while the idiots that cause the mayhem disappear.

Stunts like this are fine if they're performed by stunt drivers and confined to the movies, not on public roads.  I think both drivers should be locked up.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was funny because it seems so unreal. Also the title "Driving like a video game" seems right in place there. And I agree, these drivers should have been caught (even though the police probably would have chickened out, far too dangerous to start a chase with this type if driving). It surprised me they didn't crash :)

Blimey, let's not all go politically correct in here, that wouldn't do!!!   :(

oh, and bytheway, never hitch a ride with smokie, terrible driver ;) (http://www.patermoeskroen.net/g/img/tongue.gif)

No he is Not. Well he doesn't think so anyway ;D
i'll ride with you Smokie 8)
Canada Phil

I can attest that Smokie is a good driver 8) he drove me around Florida last year and we never made full contact with another vehicle ;D only a few near misses :o The damage to the rental car happened overnight in the hotel carpark,so he told me :-X

Smokie tells me he is now an Advanced Motorist and we should all be driving faster and using indicators less!!!  ::)

I'm surprised Paddy even claims to remember my driving, considering the state he was in! At least gab and Phil know how to show some gratitude...;)


Yep, I'm a fully signed up member of the Cloth Cap Brigade now. Any "incidents" I may have in the future will not therefore be my fault :)

it was only a joke guys (http://dfh.vandijkonline.net/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif)

sorry smokes (http://dfh.vandijkonline.net/images/smiles/icon_nocheer.gif)

Bear in mind this is on a motorway where clearly overtaking on both sides is allowed.

Personally I think it's a fantastic bit of driving and I was pleased he managed ultimately to beat that damn Audi. ;)

If you look at the motorway thing the car is in fact a motorbike as the dashboard has been added later. The Audi is real but always had more room for the manouvers.

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1019/

Good to see the Aviation Navale strutting their stuff.  Don't suppose anyone out there has any footage of the F-8P Crusader they operated?  Regarded as the last "Gunfighter"?

Peter, There is a documentary that crops up on Discovery Wings every month or so called "The Last Gunfighter". It profiles the development and deployment of the F-8 Crusader, very interesting and some great footage of it in action in Vietnam. What amazed me is the length of time it has been in service, even seeing action in the Gulf War.
If I see it is showing again I will DVD it and send it to you.

Bob

http://superducky.com/view.cfm/media/5331
http://www.nearlygood.com/video/tworallycarcrash.html
http://www3.strangeland.com/gallery/SL_00005521.wmv
http://movies26.enwhore.com/morecrashes2.wmv

and this one is funny, really :-\
http://media3.ugoto.com/videos/racing_747s_looks_fun-adf.wmv

this one ain't funny, Pryce :(
http://www.bangedup.com/bu_posts/amei11formule3cs.wmv

Which I hadn't downloaded that last one  :o

In terms of long serving aircraft, one of all time greats is about to retire for good and anyone who was lucky enough to be at RAF Marham may have caught sight of an EE Canberra, nearly 50 years service.  The last dual control version stood down a couple of months ago and the last photo-reconnaissance versions are finishing mapping in Afghanistan.

At least some are flying in private hands for a while.

Didn't they used to fly Canberras off of HMS Victorias along with Sea vixens?
Bloody big aircraft to fly off a carrier

I'm no expert, but isn't the Canberra a bit short of ground clearance too?

When we make 'em we make 'em good.  Didn't the Yanks build Canberras (as well as Harriers)  Must has hurt. 

Can I add some more oldies but goldies - the Blackburn Buckaneer (Airfix kit 3 shillings)  That did fly from carriers when we had then, and was retired, what ten years ago after laser targeting in the gulf.  And the Shackelton.  That must have been retired a bit earlier, but basically was a converted WW2 Lancaster bomber (Airfix kit 6 shillings), and replaced by a converted Comet, a design all of 10 years younger.

Oh and HMS Victorious was 10/6. with Sea Vixens

Anorak head on here.  Can’t recall ever Canberra’s operating off carrier's.  Mind you what a sight.  The American most certainly did build the Canberra under license and they called it the B-57, also a number of sub-variants including a big wing model for high altitude.  Interestingly NASA still operates a derivation of this big wing Canberra with high by-pass turbofan engines and the aircraft is used for atmospheric studies.  One came over to the UK a while back as part of this work.

Don't forget that we sold the Canberra to Australia, Peru,  Venezuela, W Germany to name a few.

As an aside at one time the shak was the only RAF aircraft ever to have six engines which may be true to this day?

one bl00dy fast beamer :o
http://abum.com/show/10233/bmw-from-hell.wmv

Been on the happy juice again Rick??  A bike would be leaning at serious angles on some of those manouvres yet the camera stays upright????

women :-X

(http://dfh.vandijkonline.net/images/smiles/hihi.gif) http://media.putfile.com/Designa-Schranke-Web

we were at Marham and stayed on Sunday night so saw two Tornadoes taking off and the 5 canberra's out for checks. The Canberras are due to retire next year leaving a gaping great big hole in our reconnisance as no replacement has been built.

Rick, not to up on the modern RAF inventory, but I think you will find the Tornado GR 4a http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/tornado_rec.html has been in this role for a number of years, the jaguar also http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/jaguar.html but i think their days are drawing to a close.

Not too up on the roles, but the base at Marham does run Tornadoes. But Mark mentioned something about the canberra leaving a gap. It may have been the sheer hight the plane could take photo's at??

Rick, it probably is something to do with the types of image the canberra can take?  Depending on the package the aircraft is tasked with.  My brief contact with the Tornado force, the Reece was all low level, night at high speed. 

Peter, I think Rick is right, Mark told me the same thing. Think the Canberra has a max ceiling of around 15,000ft above that of anything else in the Airforce, ceratinly well above anything a Tornado can muster. It's all to do with the wings or something. And as there is no direct PRC replacement, the military BigWigs are hoping satellites will do the job. But as Mark said, they're not much use at seeing through clouds.

That was the same hight and reason I remembered Mark saying so it must be the right reason.

Reminds me of joke:-  (Women don't take offence it is a joke.


What have wives and clouds got in common?

Ans:
At some point they will F**K off and it will be a beautiful day!!!

It must relate to the technology too.  Those enormous film cameras are dinosaurs - everything must be digital nowadays

Wasn't there so unable to comment.  15,000ft doesn't sound correct, max ceiling for the Canberra is about 54,000ft, Tornado ADV's are about 60,000ft + and probably a little less for the GR versions.

15,000ft probably relates to the type of image the Canberra can obtain maybe using a strategic mapping camera with "film" using the visible part of the spectrum as opposed IR and side scan radar images.

As an aside, PR aircraft always seem to come from existing airframes, which are then adapted, can't think of a purpose built PR aircraft?  I may be wrong, even aircraft like the Blackbird SR-71 was originally an interceptor.  If memory serves me correct before the Canberra it would have been the Valliant’s, Victors and Vulcan’s from the V force that would fulfilled this role.

Perhaps Mark can help us out.  I've always been fascinated with reconnaissance.

FS the initial A thingy (A-12?)was "said" to be an interceptor but wasn't ever truly considered. It seems likely it was a scam to get the black budget agreed.

I dont think there ever was a threat that would be encountered at their ceiling except another Blackbird...

Doesn't the PR Cranberry have a much enhanced altitude due to the extended wing, been out of "Plane spotting!" for so long now the numbers escape me. A greater sign that I am getting old-er

 :(

Hi Guys,

Plenty of info and nice piccies at :
http://www.rafmarham.co.uk/gallery/index.htm

Rick and Andy;s recollections are correct and you have quoted the Canberra ceiling correctly - no extended wing.   Tornado GR4a as per the link you will see is 36,000.   F3 would really struggle - it is essentially the same jet with a radar in the nose and a couple of plugs in the fuselage to carry more fuel.   Our last operational T4 flew its final ferryflight to Air Atlantique at Coventry airport at the beginning of this month and the PR9 remains in service until 39 Sqn disband around July 2006.   After that something will do the job.   The fact that it flies so much higher is simply because that is what it was designed to do, with a thick, low load wing - not quite what the Tornado has!   High = strategic, Low = tactical, and lots depends on what kit is fitted.   Satellites are marvellous but aren't as flexible a platform as an aircraft.   More to come when I've got a bit more time, all the best for now,

MG Mark

Canberras never flew off carriers, the B-57 was the US variant with different engines and the Indian air foce still has a squadron of Canberras.   Shackleton was a similar configuration to the Lancaster, with 4 Rolls-Royce Griffon engines with contra-props - 80,000 rivets in close formation!   And don;t forget the glorious Lightning and Phantom

Bill the A-12 was originally designed as an interceptor and it carried two internal AAM

Yerss, I thought that was what it was. wouldnt have fancied flying at Mach numptynump and opening bay doors to dump AAMs into the airstream way up there myself though! I remember the A-12 nose had a different profile to the Blackbird too, sort of sticky out bit in front of the strakes, with extra pitots on it too.

I expect the Martin EB57 thingys were way up in the air a bit more then.

I was surprised to hear of Shacks having six engines at some time. I never saw any but Griffon engined versions, though I suppose APUs could be counted as engines...

If any of you visit the RAF Museum at Cosford there is a model display inside the twin hangars near the museum shop/cafe/office. Two of the models on display there are mine. One is the Shackleton AEW2 I made back in the eighties. It certainly only had Griffons.

But Lightnings! Don't you get me started on about them...

 :)

Bill, I think the reference to 6 engined Shackletons is a paired engined nacelle with contra rotating props, like the Double Mamba in the old Navy Gannets.

But of course Steve, thanks for sorting that one out....  :-\

I hope you're paying attention at the back.  ;)

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Six engined Shak's did exist and they were all proper engines.  Quite right, 4 griffon with contra rotating props AND TWO Bristol Siddeley Viper turbojet 's.  Part of the Mk3 phase 3 uplift programme, I think.

Couple of site's here worth looking at

http://users.bigpond.net.au/Shackleton/viper.html

http://users.bigpond.net.au/Shackleton/

Brilliant link FS thanks. Always love to read more about the mighty Shak. Back in 77 while Kinloss was having runway updates I was able to live in 8 sqn's hangar while my TA unit were on exercise in the Highlands, so happy memories there too. Most of the aircraft were at Lossie at the time.

I remember reading about the phase 3 thing but news on it drifted so I thought it got "governmented" out of existance...

Good old days.

Bill, funny to think that the Mk 2 lived on longer than the Mk 3, in the AEW role while we sorted out AEW Nimrod, finally settling on AWACS.  Using the AEW kit from the FAA Gannets, now that is getting value for money :D

Its good how memories come back, 8 Squadron operated the Mk 2's and they were all named after characters from the Magic Roundabout.

Thinking about it (extra pedantic hat on, now) might have been '76 'cos '77 we were in Bavaria on Reforger...

About that Gannet AEW kit, even that was recycled from the AEW Skyraiders wasn't it? IIRC...

Memories ain't even slightly reliable these days!

 :(

Bill,

You're spot on, Skyraiders from the good ole' US of A

Marvellous exercise Reforger what a hoot, such a sight, all those young American boys flying direct from home dropping onto German soil.

Bad enough being crapped up on an Albert from blighty, at least they had Jet comfort on the Starlifters.