Club Arnage

 ;D What is the top speed that anybody has reached on the way two or back from LM - lets all be honest here, indicated speed - no bull. Cars and bikes.

I'll start the ball rolling at 175mph, for 15 miles back to Cearn - ZZR1100 (should do 185 but i'm bit of a bloater!)

Probably not many to match that. The Omega reached 135 comfortably for a short distance on the way back from pre-qualifying. I reached 130 in it, 4 up, last year on the approach to Mulsanne corner in daylight. And at the dead of night on the Thursday this year at pre-qual I reached 120 at the same spot before my bottle went. (That's with a rolling start from the last roundabout down to the corner)

it does go quicker (had it to 145) but the mpg becomes gpm!

This one could be a little contentious, given all our concerns about increased plod activity to stamp-out this outrageous and irresponsible behaviour.
That said, I achieved 160mph and ran at this speed for about 5 minutes heading south from Le Mans towards Angers in the rain, on the Sat night of the 2001 race.
I also got into a bit of a dice with an Aston Martin Vanquish on the drive back to the Tunnel on the Monday after the same race (the police are pretty much all radar'd-out by Monday). It was on the diversion (dual carriageway) stretch north of Beaumont-sur-Sarthe.
He had me beat, but we ran door handle  to door handle at around 160-165mph for a while - and I had the roof down.
It's neither big nor clever, but much safer when the bulk of the race traffic has subsided. My car has a head-up display, which projects the important numbers onto the windscreen, other wise I wouldn't have been able to determine the speed. I kind of get tunnel vision when I'm really stomping on it - not good, but a fact, nonetheless.

Oh dear - this is always a bit of a dodgy topic.

I seem to remember a bit of silly behavior in a T5 some years back heading south on the same peage Matt was referring to at the end of a race.  Although 140mph isn't that crazy insane, it's for how long we sustained said velocity that I'm not too proud of.

Having said that, Matt and I did hit hyperspace in my TT heading from Indy to Mid Ohio for the CART race - definitely would still be in jail if we'd been nicked there - my only glance at the speedo had us knocking around 170mph!  Doh!

MaryHolyMotherOfJesus!!

Top call Dave, and as for BigSteve and 175, I can only doff my cap and offer you some chrome polish for your bollocks in admiration.

The fastest I can get the old girl up to is 130 and a bit, and have sustained this for some lengthy distances on the way to LM. Mpg is seriously compromised at this speed though, and I'm well into single figures. I got 6mpg on a tankful one year...
Mind you, things are quite interesting in there at 130. I can believe the critics of Stevensons rocket who predicted that people wouldn't be able to breathe at speeds over 30mph. It's hard work seeing straight, and a vice like grip has to be maintained on the wheel at all times.
This year it's nothing above 70, honest!
H

Jeeezus Dave - I'd forgotten about the death-ride in the T5 - it was insane crazy - and crazy insane. He drove for at least half an hour with the needle hovering over 140. Fax's girlfriend was in the back crying. What was really funny was that we passed a police car parked on the shoulder, on the peage and Dave didn't even lift. I pissed myself - though Dave didn't - when he saw the video. I filmed it for about 10 mins - it's a hoot.
The 170mph + on Interstate 70 in Dave's Porker was quite refined by comparison. The car is just glued at that kind of speed and the noise is fantastic (though not as good as a 5.7 litre LS1 at 6000rpm, ha ha ha, you little f**k*r!)

H- 130 out of the Jag is impressive enough for me. Sweaty string-backs would be the result, I'd imagine. I once had an old Mk X Jag that you didn't so much steer, as prevent from running off the road.

Ah yes,
The 140 MPH ride back to Jumelles in the Swedish turbo tank.  That '97 LM trip was pretty much the beginning of the end of that relationship.  Just as well though, if I'd married her I would be in jail and she would be buried in the garden by now.
John

Clocked 39.4 MPH on the push bike the other night - does that count?

ah well this one is a good topic...

this year at PQ we managed 161 in an Audi A8 and 176 in a Porsche 996

we have also had 178 out of a M3 convertible and 190 from a Nissan 300ZX

our resident Gay-lardo driver as bottled out this year as we were going for the big 200...maybe next year


what about also, the longest burnout in length and duration?

over 100 metres in length, and over 1 minutes in duration with video evidence...soon to be published on our web site!!!

   does 85 in an aircooled VW camper count  ;) ;D ::)    

Which cliff did you fall off?

 ;D OK so I was gravity assisted, but as you can see from my avitar pic, I have serious weight behind me to help when the gradient is negative! But I wager a certain Mr. R Cutler is faster downhill than even me on a two-wheeled leg-powered type machine and he doesn't need bodily mass to assist, eh Rick?  ;)

Mine last year was to hit 75 in a 405 estate, only to be constantly reminded by the owner that it eats the fuel over 70 and there's always police around the bend ahead. Head was severely done in by the time i got home. Kept waking up with the sound of 'speed camera, speed camera', ringing in my head.

I had 152mph two up on a ZZR600 on the Mulsanne in 2002 on Sunday night, racing a silver TVR.

The TVR's been at 175mph racing ohters on the N138 in 1999, but i wasnt in the car. Martin was driving, and LOST to other cars!

I had about 90 out of my old rover with a caravan on the back down the mulsanne pre chicanes - bottled out at the mulsanne kink - and at that speed it was more or less GPM rather than mpg - i dont think a knackered exhaust helped.

To change the subject slightly - wonder what the fastest somebody's been nicked at? :'(

that's just the point at over 170mph you don't get nicked, because the camera don't work and the french plods can't catch you!!!

I know of a few last year on the way home getting fined 500 euros at the tolls for 200+kph


so far, it looks like the T.W.A.T.S. have the fastest recorded speed on four wheels and the longest burnouts...no wonder "we are T.W.A.T.S and proud of it"

How about another slant on it....average speed from ferry to LM.

3h 40m from Calais to track, this year to pre-qual. 4 hours on way back. Slow, I know...

I've just donned my fire-proof shreddies, because I know I'm going to get seriously flamed for this, but are we all going to sit here and politely accept that you can get (even with de-restriction and boost chips) 178mph out of an M3 and 190 out of Nissan 300ZX? In dreamworld maybe, but I think we're baing taken for a bunch of twates.  

[quoteThe fastest I can get the old girl up to is 130 and a bit]
H - well done old chap - I can imagine the tension in the cabin when the old girl has picked her skirts up and is running at that speed.   The best I have managed with the MGA was an indicated 125 at full bore down the Mulsanne, although after a while at full throttle the old girl is still pulling, but hits fuel starvation just short of valve bounce - fairly neat rev limiter really.   In real terms, once speedo error is allowed it equates to about 115 - not bad for a mighty 1622cc.   Like you, concentration is pretty high at that point, with the mechnical thrashing noises accompanied (as the A is a coupe) by what seems to sound like being inside a kettle drum in mid-crescendo..... ;D

Now I'm not a man to disbelieve somebody just off the cuff, but, I would be interested in how the T.W.A.T.S 300ZX is tunned, for a car that weight we're looking at 500+ horses for 190mph (well tunned Skyline GTR V spec spring to mind!), not imposible just expensive! also the M3, Brabus+Schnitzer top 168 so again not impossible but interesting.

One thing not to forget is that if you stick a set of 20 inchers on a car the speedo needs to be re-calabrated! :-\

Yes indeedy, I had a little chortle at that one before paying a visit to the little boys room and wrestling out my 12" trouser tadger.....
It's true!! I measured it with a ruler made in Japan!

H

Are you sure it wasn't a ruler that came free with teh Daily Mirror??  ;D

Last year I was able to get the motorhome pictured left upto 120mph on the dual carriageway into Caen.

I had the assistance of a road that was slightly downhill a tail wind and no traffic with a dead straight road. This was GPS verified speed as the speedo on the dash only goes to 110Mph.

I have avoided this topic so far as it is slightly irrelevant to me. But just for the record, the Commer once pulled an inicated 77mph, down hill just morth of LM. Tweaking the testicles of terror and laughing in the face of death, I floored it and held it flat on a  mild downhill lefthander. A mate in a car behind said his speedo was showning 70 mph (just) and I was pretty bloody impressed, less so my terrified passengers, who screamed at me to slow down as we weaved across all three lanes and I manfully wrestled with the steering wheel.

However, going up the hill on the other side of the valley, we were very quickly back down to about 20, so not really any point in the exercise. Although my senses had been slightly dulled by the activities of the preceding days, I'm convinced there's more speed to come. And if I can wring 70 out of the C, I'm prepared to believe the "fishermans' tales" above. BTW, I hear Big H like to suck a fishermans' friend at Cherbourg docks before the sail home. Apparently it helps settle his tummy.

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Zarse, why do you have to leave us with such images?

Hi Andy Zarse,
                      Wonderful descriptive passage. best laugh of the day. I hope commer behaved better after a good thrashing like that. Looking forward to meeting the beast.
Canada Phil

Must say I was wondering about these numbers (especially the apparently warp drive powered Nissan).  Have the TWATS modified said motors????  My experience running against M3s and heavy Jap iron tells me they don't play up there as stock.

178 mph, just before 1st chicane on the Mulsanne.

Viper GT-R , last saturday night.

Just to get into the mood on my PS2!

Well If we are going to play like that then I went over Le Mans in a MD Blackbird at over Mach 3.  :o ;D

Red - did you make it through the chicane clean, or doing a bit of hopping through the gravel trap? :)

Now children, your toys will be taken away if you don't play nice!!

Come on [shadow=red,left,300]T.W.A.T.S [/shadow] , we're all waiting for your secret to these feats.

See page one for the T.W.A.T.S posting.

The factory 300ZX's of the early/mid 90's couldn't top 190 on the straight, so this car will have to have been severely twaited to do it on the street...... can anyone else smell male bovine excrement?

Firstly, I want to make this point 100% clear, these are not figiures recorded down the Mulsanne straight, these are on the motorway somewhere in France on route to Le Mans (not to specific as I'm sure the French plods catch this info from someone!!!).

Secondly, we are just relaying our experiences, not trying to make up stories, what do we have to prove, as I'm sure most of the people who have met us or been overtaken by us will agree. We always have fun but try to do things a little different, and sometimes on a big or impressive scale.

As I was the said driver for the Audi's figures I can only give you the information I know as follows;

Audi A8 - 161mph was in an Audi A8 4.2 auto quattro LWB and she still had a little left in  her! there was no top speed restriction at 155mph, we were three up and all our luggage.

With regards the other he comes my best shot, but I will try and obtain some further information from the said parties

BMW M3 - convertible, not sure about any wheel upgrade, I think a fairly standard car. with regards the speed limiter at 155mph I do remember hearing something along the lines of, leave it in 5th until you get past 155 then change up! but believe me I was driving another Audi at the time about 145, and Justin came past me like a bat out of hell and nearly pushed me off the road with the air pressure from his car.

Porsche 911 - Carrera 4 again with Justin at the wheel, I was in the Audi A8 above at 160+ and guess what he flew past me again at a recorded 176-178 without any limiter involved.

Nissan 300zx - well I need to do some homework on this one, but Knocker is a mad jap man, and has spent a few quid looking after his jap imports. He reckons his scobby is the fastest one around here too. With regards the 300zx I don't know the full spec, but I do know he talks about it all the time. In 2002 when we took down a host of cars including the M3 (mentioned above), Audi,  Porsche's and a Ferrari, his 300zx was the fastest one there which we do have on video.

Shortly hopefully, we will be in a position on our web site to show you guys these impressive feats, as we have just purchased the required software/hardware to put our digital video on the web.
 

here is another one for you to consider...

top speed reached on the channel tunnel train carraige when loading, 46mph in Vectra GSi

I could I've gone faster but the bloody toilets stick out and come up a bit quick at that speed before I needed to stop or hit the guy in front

but I expect some of you will dish this too

We're just f**k*ng with ya President!
Audi and BMW have factory electronic road speed limiting software, which can be disabled by re-chipping the ECU. The factory max setting is 155mph. Your A8 unrestricted, but otherwise stock should be good for around 165mph. An unrestricted (current model) M3, otherwise stock isn't geared to do more than 160 or so, so your buddies car must be breathed-on and have a high ratio (more modest acceleration) gearbox.
The 996 sounds perfectly legit (Porsches have no factory road speed limiter), but unless it's a GT3 or Turbo, if it's factory, it's going absolutely flat-out.
The 300ZX - who knows? 5-600bhp Supras and Skylines are not unheard of - they're just horribly unreliable, from what I've heard. In the final analysis, who cares - you're right, have fun, live large - Shouldn't your badge read "T w a t t e d"? Sorry to nit-pick, but WTF does (phonetically) "Twaited" mean?

twaited or t w a t t e d it's all the same to us, we couldn't all agree on what to put, so we went with the first idea, seems to work though...and now this year it will be in big letters across the back of the BAM! Porsche for everyone else to see, plus we are bringing 10,000 stickers with us!
so look out ;D ;D

just typed t w a t e d into google.com,

first entry was our web site,
third entry was http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twated

I was in the Carrera 4 and the speedo was reading 176mph which believe me, is bloody fast.

As for the Nissan, I was in an M Coupe doing 150 and Knocker went past us as if we were standing still.

I know its not big or clever but it's f...ing good fun

After my AffairOf The Exploding Haemorrhoids, I reckon I sent a shiny one round the u-bend at at least 150, maybe 200mph, unfortunately I didn't have time to verify it with GPS. In hindsight I'm glad the piles gave way, I think just a few more psi may have unravelled my intestine.
H

ive done 207mph in a pagani zonda with my uncle on the isle of man :o. (does that count????)  

but on the way back from lemans my dad and his mate got 179mph in a porsche 911 turbo last year.   (and the have i on camera pointing to the speed)

No , the gravel gets me everytime.

Fastest on the way to Le mans last year -  150 (kmh),as I was having a bad day already and didn't want it to get worse.

The fastest trip trip back I've done was in 1993,  I left Le Mans at 11:55 Localtime and arrived in Cambridge at 17:20 Localtime and I didn't break any speed limits.  Plus I stopped for a bit to eat at Abberville stayed there for about 1 hour 45 mins.  So I only spent about 4hour 40 mins travelling crusied at about 100Kt most of the way.  :-)

Without trying to piss on the bonfire Sarsons100, the EVO magazine could only get 197mph out of a Zonda S on the Autobahn with Andy Wallace at the wheel! It wouldn't go faster, so I'll be suprised if you've seen 207mph on an Isle Of Man trip. I've been at 180mph on a Busa, but thats faster accelerating, and more nimble.

Nice to see you back OL.  How are the exams going?

Another fantastic twist! Last year we hit over 40mph loading the train - we were the first on the train in the high bays in a chipped discovery, fully loaded 4 up - christ we laughed!!! ;D Even the woman loading us at the other end laughed! ;D
Bit scary though as going through the tiolets is tight! :-[

This thread sounds like a pissin contest doesn't it? Anyone can drive fast in straight lines. Some poor innocent geezer will get killed then you have to ask... was it really worth it? Stick to feeding the loud pedal on track days and stop putting others at risk. I'm going along this year in a Se7en which is considerably slower than some of the exotica mentioned in this thread. I don't particularly want to be scrapped up off the hard shoulder coz some idiot didn't see me whilst travelling at 150+.

Maybe I sound boring, I dunno, just getting older no doubt, on a circuit tho with a few twists and turns, most of you wouldn't be able to keep up.

Yes I agree!  Slow down redstu - you're gonna get someone killed in that Viper!

I suppose all the Se7ens will be driven sensibly then...

Especially the more expensive Surrey versions  ;D

I wouldn't say boring - pompous and patronising, yes - not boring.
Lotus/Catherham 7 is a good track car - but they are genuinely horrible in evey other respect that I can think of. I can sympathise with your concerns re. a collision - it must be like sitting in a crisp bag (with the same creature comforts, as standard).
This forum is the mecca for sweeping statement and generalisations, so your last few words fit in nicely.
Have fun and enjoy the Le Mans weekend - and make sure you keep to the right, as you sedately cruise south - there will be several hundred 'idiots' getting big in your mirrors, all of whom are totally incompetent and not capable of seeing you trundling along in your Noddy car.

Ahhhh....that'll be the usual warm CA greeting then  ;)

Oy Harper.

I had one of those Noddy Cars, couldnt really fit in. Got rid after 600 miles, but god it got to 60 mighty quickly. Scary at 100, really scarry, suppose its like going round a corner in a Yank Mobile  :D

Robbo what do you mean "going round a corner in a Yank Mobile"  They don't go round corners.  Yanks can't drive around corners.   It took me by supprise the first few times.  They brake in the middle of the corner.  
Now that is Scary.  ;D

Matt - keep up your ambassador duties sir.  Although Nlash obviously makes a valid point about safety - especially to those poor innocent bastards who get topped every year by those who can't keep the wheels down, his entry to the forum appears to be "hi - you're all idiots for driving in a straight line and I'm faster around corners!"

Shall we start the thread about who's been fastest around a corner?  Robbos surely got us beat on his bike - if he's the biker I think he is, I'm sure he can ape off the the side of that thing and remove a bit of sidewall material - and I'm sure the mini too - right Robbo? ;)

I'm still thinking of chopping in my motor and getting a 200mph hulking Nissan 300 ZX!  I bet that can corner very fast once.

I protest! I'm interested to welcome nlash and hear his view on the subject. But why should I be welcoming to someone who merely preaches a 'holier than thou' sermon, sanctimoniuosly suggests we are idiots and snaps the tin lid on it by then telling us that in all liklihood, we are inferior anyway!

Robbo - get off my back dude. I too have driven several Lotus/Cat 7's (I couldn't fit in either). I acknowledge that they are good track cars. Sure, they accelerate (to a point), but in other respects, I find them to be severely wanting. You don't have to be boned-out, basic to enjoy big performance. I'm not a fan - lot's of people are - they're masochists of course, but whatever floats your boat....

I'm weary of trying to defend good American sportscars - so I won't bother. Reading the figures and road/track tests tells the real story. I respectfully suggest that (like in all matters) "Don't knock it, until you've tried it".

It is true that there are some very, very, very bad drivers in this country (USA) - just like in England and France (I'm English, remember). Not all American roads are straight. Some American cars are atrocious. Some Ferraris are terrible. My dad is bigger than your dad etc, etc,

Matt you do have fellow members on your side....me!

At the end of the day we all have our crosses to bear.  I,in my profession cover somewhere between 25000 and 35000 miles in my travels anually.
The one thing I get really pissed off about is the reveresed baseball hat bgrigade with serious wattage and loud peco exhausts on their supa-fast shopping trolleys.

From experience ....as you say the only way to prove how good your......"MOTOR" is is to go on an officail track day....like Dreamracers....There anybody can try and prove a point....as I did in "Shed !2.......Hoplessley slow but great fun !!!!!

Roll on the new project which hopefully next year will be spruinting and hillclimbing.!!!!!(Alpha GTV 2.5 )

So to the rest of you speed freaks "Keep death off the road and drive on the trak"".


Wishy

Damn, I got Harper reaction from the other Harper.

Oh well.

I am sure your Vette's great, and i too ( proffesional head on now ) must spread the good words of those who need to reduce road casulatly deaths in the Uk, by taking them else-where, Portugal or Spain perhaps, No even better Morocco.......

Dave- if i could ride my bike or probably even drive a car like Valentino rossi, i would be happy. But alas no, Great in a straight line on the bike, and still learning on the bendy stuff. Althoguh i have a few bits of spanish roads happliy in-grained into my knee sliders  ;D

LOL  ;)


It's all about the bendies dude.  If you've never read "A Twist of the Wrist", get it.  I currently ride a Triumph Sprint - such a great engine - though my exploration of one of my brother's Fireblade really gave me an eye opening as to how much you could throw a bike around.  Jeezuss.

Glad to hear you're burning some bends into your memory Robbo - I too have several roads near my house where it's possible to get into some monkey business.  I've got some major twisties south of Indianapolis where I live.

Matt - I've decided I'm driving to RA for the Petit later in the year - can you bring the Vette up?

Seems i've stirred a few emotions with my contentious post.

OK, we all share a passion for fast cars or bikes, we wouldn't be reading from this forum if we didn't. My concern is the basis for this thread in that touching very high speeds on public roads where non likeminded people are placed is dangerous and not very clever. On an organised trackday everyone has signed the disclaimer and is expectant of other users taking their cars/bikes to the limit. On the road there are users that have not deliberately placed themselves in that position and are held to ransom by others wanting some fun.

"Patronising and pompous" you couldn't be further from the truth Matt. I just want to get to Le Mans and back in one piece and have a great time. I'm not saying there are quick drivers reading this forum that are incapable of handling their powerful machines but no matter how experienced any of the readers on here are, quicker cars getting very big in the mirrors of my Noddy car are not immune to such occurances as a tyre blowout and when touching speeds well into three figures, what's going to happen? Unlikely yes, but it could happen. Worst case scenario, slower driver gets sideswiped and killed. Slower driver didn't ask for this to happen did he? No. On a trackday on the other hand, if this kind of incident were to happen then the slower driver has accepted the risks prior to starting his engine.

I'm just as guilty for breaking speed limits as the next man who's into quick cars, but there is a time and a place to go completely mad and take the piss. Noddy cars as you put it are quick in their own way and the tecnique involved in handling cars or bikes on corners takes far greater skill than caning in a straight line.

This thread may only be a bit of fun but I still believe that those who wish to take their machines to the limits mentioned in previous posts are only thinking of what kicks they can get rather than the passive dangers they are placing others.

Regardless, I hope everyone has a great time at LM this year and returns safely after a mighty good piss up

Just to add another pert to the scenario.

Whilst enjoying my bike to MY limts as a rider in Spain last week, i was the ONLY person for 30 miles. No cars, bikes, sheep, cows, people or Noddy cars.
I was riding to a System, that is taught to me here in the UK, and was good fun, but 3 figures, YES, most of the way. Thats why i own a Sports bike ( car if i could ) and not a SMART car.

Like I said, a time and a place. No traffic around then yeah go for it although personally, if there is any chance of someone pulling out from a junction then I tend to back off. On a clear motorway though with no traffic then it would be a shame not to.

....except that's a straight road. Seriously though, your further postings reveal much more eloquence, rationale and skill with words - a pleasure to read points of view argued as well as you do.
I've had the good fortune to attend several track days (cars and motorcycles) and they are obviously the only safe scenario when the need for speed arises.
I'm not sure that many of the individual braggards (myself included) who posted on this topic unleashed their horses and scythed through rush hour traffic in their quest to hit the rev-limiter. But you are right. A tyre failure, a semi concious French farmer with a trailer-load of cow sh*t, pulling out into your path - or just some innocent, pootling along, not really aware of what is going on around him, could make the scene very ugly.
I guess it boils down to respect for the circumstances and awareness of personal limitations. My car is faster than I am. The motorcycle I ride is faster than I am. Had I had access to either of them when I was - say 25 years old, I would definately have killed myself.
I cannot factor every possible eventuality when I'm out on the road. I feel that my years of experience and tuition on the road and on the track count for something, but it's usually the unforeseen that really fucks you up.
The touble is, fast is fun. Good roadcraft is satisfying and rewarding.
It's all going to be over sooner than any of us would like. The oil's going to be gone, the roads are going to be clogged with uniform-shaped jellymoulds running sedately on solar and hydrogen - or (dare I say it) nuclear fission - all occupied by depressed, uninspired and mournful drivers. I just feel I must make hay while the sun's still shining - and making a value judgement on the limitations of myself and my ride.

It's all going to be over sooner than any of us would like. The oil's going to be gone, the roads are going to be clogged with uniform-shaped jellymoulds running sedately on solar and hydrogen - or (dare I say it) nuclear fission - all occupied by depressed, uninspired and mournful drivers. I just feel I must make hay while the sun's still shining - and making a value judgement on the limitations of myself and my ride.


I couldn't agree more. While we do have the internal combustion engine  then the likes of you and me will take pleasure from the emotions it can stir. Like you say, this pleasure can be achieved in a relatively safe manner. There will always be accidents where there is more than one piece of machinery sharing the same piece of tarmac and as you comment,  if we respect our limits then there is no need to hand ourselves or others to the grim reaper, on a plate.

Edited to say.... despite my opinions in this and previous posts, I really really hate speed cameras with a passion. Statistics will tell you that they have saved hundreds of lives. Personally, I think money talks.

Ah yes! Getting out on the backroads and really giving it some stick, perfectly executed drifts, stand on the brakes, power down hard and aim for that blind apex...Man I'm flying now.  The great thing about driving a wheezing battered old VW?  I can drive like that and still be barely breaking the speed limit.
John

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   know the feeling well  ;D ;D  what "battered old VW" do you drive??? air or watercooled?

Hi Scorp,
Water cooled these days but had a long line of old air cooled Buggers back in the good old days.  Would still love to find one but most have rusted into oblivion by now.  Every year here in Cincy there is an enormous gathering of VW's at a weekend show and there's a example of about every VW ever built that shows up.  Even one of those old Afrika Corps things complete with an MG-42.
John

Ah well - a post that I thought would be interesting with some funny stories has turned into a slaging match - What I didn't ask is was " what is the most dangerous bit of driving anybody has done" or " how many people did you kill last year"!

Doing 30 on a bike in a traffic jam is far more lethal - to the rider at least, than flat out (whatever speed) on an empty, long (twisty occasionally) road with the only other thing around - your 2 mates on a 600 Duke and Blade somewhere behind you. With other traffic - it's very hard to resist when the passenger in a 996 has her tits out waving you on past 150!

Nlash - please don't rant to people they're all stupid! But welcome to CA - I hope you get the jist of why you've logged in!

We are all here because we love speed - why else go to France, watch exotic cars, at 200mph, for 24hrs!

Hope you all have a safe and happy Le Mans - I know I will, I'll speed, get very drunk, abuse some foreigners, watch some amazing action, have a smile on my face for months and stories for my kids for years.

On the way down to Pre-Quals we I decided to try and overtake a car then decided against playing chicken with a 48 tonner.

and your point is..............................?

Matt, you need to know what rcutler drives then you'd get the point...

This is it but with 4 people and camping gear it is a 3.5 tonne brick with Drum Brakes!!! Acceleration is crap at 60 and when going up a hill Andy said give it a bit more but I was already flat out 50mph!!! I think we were a bit heavy ;D

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rcutler, I rather like that Veedub, but what engine does it have? My T4 *.*van( letters omitted in case my gaffer sees this and so she won't recognise me ;) ) has the five pot turbod and is indecently quick. I have to keep the eye on its speedo all the time, one lapse left me decellerating in a hurry from 108 on a motorway near home...

Our vans have to carry tons of spares and tools, I hadn't realised how good they must be. I had thought of trying to buy it when its lease is up to make a camper like yours, a definite maybe now, be great at LeMans!

Have to get a nicer respray than its present colour. ;D

I have the older 5 pot 2.4 but non turbo. It will cruise at 80mph but getting there is slower than the turbo version. With wind assistance and a slight downhill section I got the van upto 120Mph which proved hard to keep it on the road as every bump I hit was F-ing huge and hard to recover.

What colour?? Green seems to be the most popular as they were cheaper and some dealers threw in aircon.

Pop in for a Beer we are on MB near the Liverpool Boys.