Club Arnage

I have just been looking through the messages on this board and there seems to be some serious anti free market.

Ok there are some outfits out there that will think nothing of charging over £100 for a general admission tickets and then there are the Ticket Agencies that will sell you a camping permit for a 20% markup and then insist that you take there not existant hospitality for £75 a head.

However there is much to be said for the leting those who went to the effort of arranging there tickets to sell there supplus on the open market at the market price. Ok several hundred pounds for a camping permit is extreme but that is the point of a free market - the price of goods finds its own level.

Look at a few of the messages in the last few days - the attack on epsomltd for offering spare tickets at what ever the market will stand - This is club arnage not the communist party!

Also look at Pajero Pete's post passing on the details of what actually looks like a good deal from an establish provider - he and the provider get attacked at for profiteering.

If you actually do the maths on what the deal offers I bet you couldn't provide the service for that price - It does include a camping permit and free booze etc... It is a good deal!

While the ACO makes a mockery of there own booking system and people booking one permit per tent or even person there will always be a so called black market.

In many ways the fairest way for people to resell their surplus tickets is via an Auction where the tickets will find there own price level.

Dear Magster,

Is it really twenty five years??

I actually agree with much of what you say, indeed it would be ridiculous not to. But if you want to join in an auction, then why not try an auction website? I mean, you don't go on ebay to have witty banter and repartis between LM fans do you? I would have thought that made perfect sense.

The reason auctions are not allowed here is manyfold, but is largely to do with the legal basis of a business relationship between the proprietors of CA and the ACO.
You were probably unaware of this fact hence your post above. Also I imagine the Mods don't want pages clogged up with bidding wars. End of matter.

Enjoy your well earned retirement Mrs T. Will you be meeting us all at the champers bar at 9.00 saturday?

Well, hell,
Why bother with a face value in the first place, maybe the ACO should just auction the whole damn lot of them.
There's actually a Free Market in a field near here every Sunday morning, but it's full of sh*te and no LM tickets.
H

I think I'll stay out of this one - just sit here on my lonesome and sip my shandy....

maybe the ACO should privatise  :o and double the prices of the tickets in the first place  :-X

Maybe Smokie better delete that b4 somebody sees it....

Hi Matt,
Is it "Matt 'No Mates' Harper" from now on then?
H

Wasn't it Peter Cook who suggested that Mrs T's public image could only improve if she would give us an occasional "flash of her vag"?
H

So it would appear. My self-effacing replies and grovelling apologies fell on deaf ears over the weekend. It's been terribly upsetting for me - I really don't know what to do. This person obviously doesn't like me and it's causing me all manner of concern.
What would you do, H? Dazzle me with your acumen?    

H, I'm sure if Mrs.T were to wear nice conservative knee length skirt on the old liver would be on full view by now.

Firstly Maggie, welcome to Club Arnage   :)

As Andy has already stated, there are reasons behind the choice of this site not to allow profiteering. However, at the end of the day it is not "our" site but belongs to Club Arnage or Dave Davies. It is his choice what the rules are, and we are simply adhering to them. Perhaps we protect/self enforce them a little vigorously sometimes but I'm sure if you get to know us (and hopefully meet us at the Champagne Bar on Saturday night) you'll get to find that we are actually quite nice!

As for what happens on other sites, good luck to them but if people want to advertise something they are going to make a profit on, then use one of the pay sites!

I want to see H's "acumen" about as much as I want to see Thatch's vag. I hear he keeps it in a kid leather pouch.

My two-penneths worth;

Yes, it is a free market, but it clearly states "no profiteering" and it is a free world too, so no-one has to sell here do they?  So if the free market decides to take there tickets elsewhere for a profit, then I am sure they will, in the mean time as long as folks RTFM (read the f**king manual - or FAQ), then they know the score.  It strikes me as incredibly rude to not be sure of what is accepted or not and then get upset when it is pointed out.

Anyway, Maggies fur burger can stay in my nightmares....

Matt,
You've taken a pasting, and no mistake. And have you spoke to Dave recently? I'd be a little worried about the lad, he may have decided to take the last waltz. I know that you fragile and shrinking violets can only take so much.
On the subject of 'taking so much', that is my first thought on advice. They say a good drink never solved anything, but in my experience unanswered questions were never so much fun. Epsomelda was obviously a profiteer and hairy waxy eared lizard person, and any person who doesn't need a 'flying fart' either has a very full life or is in league with the Devil and shouldn't be trusted. (wasn't someone advertising spare seats on a flying fart in another thread?)
Of course he may be a thoroughly nice chap and is marrying my daughter on Saturday, in which case I'll be wringing his bells in person.
I like the idea of an auction for Flying Farts though. Instead of a waved program or a raised eyebrow, the next bidder would break wind in a personalised and distinctive way, signalling a small raise in the bidding. A large raise in the bidding though would necesitate the risk of a trouser-full alright, and I doubt that that pace of purchasing could be kept up for long. I can hear it now "Sold! - to the man in the chest waders!"
Like a wahoo he's headed for deep waters, but the clubs ready...
H

Like everyone else I applaud the principle of a free market, however as they say 'everything before the but is bullshit', heres the but,

This site has been set up by a fan for fans of the greatest motor race on earth to chat and exchange stories not to make money for the posters, thats what e.bay etc are for.

There may come a time, when for any number of reasons you are short of a ticket or two, I am relieved that there is a chance you will not be scalped by some ponce who has ordered 20 of the damn things with the sole view of flogging them on e.bay at a massive mark up.

With this in mind you can shove your free market up your arse.

 

"Sold! - to the man in the chest waders!"

Surley Big H that should be "Soiled"  :-X

Hey Matt dont let the barstwards grind you done, you drink your warm lemonaid and be proud ;)

Would the job description for the auctioner in BigH's auction state a  requirement for ' a good nose'. :)

As for the free market, that's what e*** is for, totally agree with the rules here, if you don't like it, go there.

 

Wow!! Maggie!!

Dennis would have enjoyed LM, he was one for a few snifters with the lads...

Mark is probably best kept well away from cars isn't he?

Look at the mess your free market has landed us in, then think about why it's not welcome here! (And I'm not even a leftie!)



Ooo...little bit of politics.... :o :o :o :o

H - like Matt, I was so upset by all the cruel words, I couldn't sleep last night.  My company is going down the toilet rapidly as all I can do is sit and worry about whether there is profiteering taking place on the CA forum.  Today I developed stress urinary incontinence as a result.  sh*t, I just did it again.

I hate capitalism and profiteering.  We should all just live together and give each other tickets.  And when Hillary gets into the White House, God will guide her in overseeing all moderating of the site.

Sod this, if Fax can do it, I can too - I'm outta here!

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Here Here dreamracer - I have a ferry ticket on here, that needs to be shifted 'for a friend' Gulp here goes I have also advertised it on s**t dare I say it E**y (phew might get away with that one) but if someone bids the £130 that was paid for the ticket I will stop the auction - thats what  us Le manners are like. I first went 21 years ago with a bloke called Dougie from sunderland (he cant help it)who lost out lots of money on a coach trip that he arranged  - he could have upped our price at the time but no he stuck to his virtues - and I thought good egg, and we have been with dougie some 7-8 times since as friends. It never ceases to amaze me how you hook up with people at Le mans who remain friends for life, I am also going this year with another mate who I only met at Lemans some 8 years ago, Rodders he now lives in spain and is coming up to see us.

UUUmmmhh where was I Oh yes no profitering on here is what I say, I do go on dont I it is the senility thing..

Dreamracer remember you are on the same ferry as me, so if you see some burbling idiot in the corner of the ferry, its likely to be me!!!!

All though smokie has a  !!Please read this before posting to this forum!!
item at he top of the section.  I'm not suprised people post against the 'rules'.

Because of all the crap on web pages (NOT CA, I hasten to add!) we (people) are very good filtering out the stuff that doesn't intrest us.

I didn't see the 'original' wording of the epsomltd offer so I can't really comment on that.  Though if it was all caps he should learn where the caps lock key is.

I've been on the wrong end of a organising a trip to LM.  One guy got really pissy when he realised how much you can get ripped off but ticket agents.
They get cheap tickes but charge as thought they are full price + commision.
I had warned them that we would have to pay over odds the to pre book the tickets.   Apart from the first time I went in 1980 I'd always purchased tickets at the curicuit and once did I have to find a campsite out side the ACO sites.  

Personaly I think the ACO try to offer a fair deal.  If you a ticket vendor you get a discount that should give you a fair return on your investment.   I'd imagine they are on sale or return.  So there is not really any risk for the ticket agents.

I'm not sure it's a Free Market.   The ticket agents have too much power.
I'm not sure what we can do about that. How did things go with the CA bluk ticket purchase go?  

tmdg - we were, rather belatedly, offered 300 BJ tickets which were declined.

In the event, the overall consensus appeared to be that people are happier with their own longstanding arrangements anyway

Maggie,
I love you will you marry me???????????
I may only be a poor wimpy profiteering reptile with too much earwax and 4 spare tickets i dare not sell!.
But as they say 'Beauty is only skin deep' we could spend the rest of our lives together selling Tickets on E-Bay!
How about it?

Yes that figures.  As I said the Ticket Agents have too much power.   There are  nearly 700 members in CA and if each one was was a 'group leader'  and each group has ten members thats only 7,000 people.  compare that to the 100,000 Plus brits that go.  It's not a significant amount.    So even if everyone here where to boycott the rip-off agents it would be a drop in the ocean.  

It just pisses me off that the 'sort your own arangements' true enthusiasts don't get a look in on the top sites such as 'MB'.

I found a true ridiculous price for tickets on the web today.   If they really can sell at the prices they are asking it won't be long be we can't aford to go.
for the prices they were asking I expect a the Air Fare from the states and hotel accomodation to be included.  I think they were just offering a Grandstand seat.

Tom.

Epsomelda! Welcome back!!
Thanks to you we've had Thatchers vag, Starlings acumen and the terrible thought of Matts grizzled old behind on show in the high street. And now, despite Maggies awful, hairy secret, the prospect of a wedding on the horizon, I hope you're pleased with yourself. Indeed the power of the internet is not to be underestimated.
Have you sold your tickets yet then, or what? For I have a solution which may get us out of this terrible mess. Once you've sold the little critters on e-bay (I assume it's e-bay?), whatever you make over face value can be used to purchase cheap champagne, and shared with all your new pals in The Village on Saturday night! Now what can be fairer than that?
Actually, before the slowly burning kettle jumps off the hearth and par-boils my sweetmeats I better come clean on this ticket business.
Yes Father, it was me, I cannot tell a lie, not only did I shred the frickin cherry tree, but I also sold my spare tickets on e-bay last year....
(In my defence, your honour, I put them on here first at face value) I'm now a little worried about eternal damnation, although I think the hot poker routine could be interesting.
H

BigH,
Your worried about Eternal Damnation! At this rate i am going to have to change campsites ,move away from Epsom,dye my hair,grow a beard,change my name, and probably end up buying a Morgan!!!!!!!!
Still so be it,

However i have had an idea! next year instead of trying the 'Hard Luck Story' approach i am proposing to RAFFLE any spare tickets on this very site.
Now Mr Smokie where is the downside to that? Say a pound a ticket(well below face of course) including costs of course.
Aston Club here i come!!!!

Sorry got to go Uncle Dave's calling............

H,

you have no idea how much I look forward to your posts.

Well, thanks Tony!

A raffle at a pound a ticket sounds like a fine idea.  :) 52 tickets at a pound each, perfect!!  ;)
Now, if you had 52 tickets available to raffle off like that everyoen could be a winner!!  ;D

Why you would want to go to Villa on the proceeds though I really don't know. Suppose there are no teams near Epsom though are there! Perhaps it's just easier to leave the ticket thing altogether  ::)

Emsom:

I am flattered.  To have stirred such emotion in you warms my heart.  8)

So what am i to do know Uncle,
i am left with the 4 hottest tickets in history,i think i got more chance of shifting the Crown Jewels than these bloody things!

Ok,

To lighten up a little can anyone beat this?

A bloke is driving to work, he's late and is speeding a little.
He drives over a bridge and sure enough, sat on the other side
there is a police officer with a radar gun. The police officer
stops the bloke and asks him why he is speeding.

"I'm late for work" the bloke explains

"Oh" says the officer, " and what do you do that is so important
you need to speed to get there?"

"Well I'm a rectum stretcher" says the bloke

"A Rectum stretcher" enquires the officer,
"and what the hell does a Rectum Stretcher do?"

"Well" explains the guy "I stretch Arseholes,
first I put one finger in, then two, then three, then four
and I keep going until I can get both of my hands in.
Then I slowly stretch my arms out until the Arsehole is about 6 foot!"

"And what the heck do you do with a six foot arsehole" asks the officer!
                                                                                                   

"WELL YOU GIVE IT A
RADAR GUN AND SIT IT
ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD!"
                   ;D

Time to go and read the other threads to get an idea of what I have missed!