Club Arnage

Does anybody have any houx or MB camping passes - I only need one and will pay handsomely. Cheers!

You mean you will pay face value and beer :P

 How many gallons?

Presumably one little squat bottle as tickets sold through this site are suppossed to be at face value

I think you'll find that is what I am hinting at, anything should be sold at face value ;D ;D

Well, it's a quiet day on the forum, so here goes...

I'm not really sure that I understand all this 'tickets only at face value' malarkey.
Now, if one of the forum regulars or my old chums are short of a ticket or two, and I've got a ticket or two spare, then yes, face value is only right and proper and I'll be first in and glad to oblige. Besides I'd probably be risking a biff on the old beezer or whiskey rights withdrawn if I asked for more. Mates are mates after all.
But if a newbie arrives on the forum looking for tickets (usually because he couldn't be arsed to order them in the first place), what's wrong in arriving at a mutually agreeable price? Let's face it lads, if you order tickets every year you know how much work goes into making sure you get them: e mails, faxes, letters, interest on credit cards and so on.
I think what will happen is that hardly anyone will be selling or swapping tickets here, why  take 50 quid for a camping ticket when people are queuing up to buy them for a hundred or more elsewhere. I'm not talking about cornering the market or buying in bulk, that sort of thievery seems to be reserved for the agencies, but if both parties go away happy as Larry, then what's the problem?
Maybe we should have an auction section...
H

Hmmm, interesting comments H, and I have to say, ones that I can sympathise with.

Having had a quick look at the forum stats http://www.clubarnage.com/yabbse/index.php?board=;action=stats (http://www.clubarnage.com/yabbse/index.php?board=;action=stats), at the bottom, new members do seem to be consistently between 6 and a dozen per month.
Looking at those new members http://www.clubarnage.com/yabbse/index.php?board=;action=mlall;start=540 (http://www.clubarnage.com/yabbse/index.php?board=;action=mlall;start=540) and http://www.clubarnage.com/yabbse/index.php?board=;action=mlall;start=570 (http://www.clubarnage.com/yabbse/index.php?board=;action=mlall;start=570), a good deal of those posts (between 1 and 5ish) do seem to be along the lines of "Desparate request, the ACO have no camping tickets / grandstands / sense of humour / compassion for their fellow man etc".

Thus, it's fair to say, the majority of newbie posts between October and May are along these lines.
Do these people leave it to the last minute every year (if they go to LM every year) and hence these posts?

Furthermore, is it fair to say the ACO are unhelpfull to their pleas for tickets, or do they not realise it's prudent to book WAY in advance?

My group book a whole wad of tickets direct from the ACO (this year 10 camping, 20 admission, 8 grandstand) and we appreciate the need to book early.

So do the ACO respond more favourably to those who are punctual and book a greater quantity of tickets?  After all, it must be easier for the ticket ladies to deal with 500 people wanting 10 tickets each than 5000 people wanting 1 ticket.

So, do the newbies request 1 or 2 tickets 12 months in advance, only to be let down at the eleventh hour - and should they hence have to sniff around the auction sites and scalpers?

Therefore, if the aforementioned should think "sh*t, it's March, I need a LM ticket", it's only reasonable to expect them to pay a premium.
But, if they requested tickets 12 months before and the ACO shafted them, then that's a bit of a b'stard.

In summing up (your honour), I think I've posed a whole load more questions here than giving an opinion.  If I was asked to come down off the fence, I would say "If you've left it this late, you have to pay" but hopefully people will learn a valuable lesson for 2005.




 

As I have said earlier in another post I (on behalf of the Liverpool boys ) sold last year Grandstand tickets at face value to a newbie who posted just once ,then was not sat in the seats I had sold.Does leave a BAD taste

Wotcher Ian,
Yes, I've had the same experience a couple of times. In each case the fan in the seat was more than chuffed that he'd got a ticket and had been happy to pay 3X the face value.
Who's the mug?
H

H,
   The Mug appears to be 'onest John on MB'

  PS. just bought an OS sheet of Kendal .Pricey.. You get paid to much!!

Maybe this forum should stop offering tickets for sale.

There must be plenty of lurkers waiting for tickets for sale, like those from the Twats currently posted, who then buy them at face value, plonk them on an auction site and make a mint.

So much for charity  :'(

Smokie helped me out with tickets this year. I was offered BSJ by the ACO, even though I'd put in my request the week before the race last year.

Last year I got some tickets and three grandstand seats from Rex on this forum, at face value!!  Not only that, but he must be the most trusting person in the world as he sent them to me in advance, and then arranged to meet me at Le Mans for me to pay him in Euros (his spending money for his extended trip!)

And yes.....we did sit next to him in the Grandstand!!  :)

glad to see a good news story on this topic

I have always booked my tickets a year in advance but never recieved what i ordered.

this year i got my reserve choise of MB, but ordered 2 camping and 2 parking tickets for Blue.
I then needed smokie's help to get the other 2 cars into MB.


The issue has to be one decided by each individual. If they want to sell here, why not. Its a Le Mans site for Le Mans fanatics.

Some of my group look at the postings , but never have logged on, they leave me to babble on about nothing and anything. they would then appear as Newbies should i not be going one year.

The people who sell for profit on E bay are maybe not true to the Le mans experience and find other activities like F1 more to their liking ??

Sold a spare camping ticket and granstand ticket last year on the site, met the guy as he was sitting next to me. He was very happy and was a LM regular who needed extra tickets due to size of party increasing, at the last moment.
Being a cynical bastard I was expecting the person next to me to say he had got the tickets from a scalper, and I'd been taken for a mug.
In the end I was pleased to have helped out a LM addict, just as I was helped out by someone else in similar circumstances the year before.

As with my case, it's nice when it works out that way Barry.

I'd suggest if anyone has any spares and is concerned about how genuine the purchaser is then offer to hand them the ticket in Le Mans itself!!  ;)

I think we should also respect the wishes of the owner of this site and that is that the forum should not be used for profiteering. What anyone does elsewhere though is obviously their own business.

My understanding of the particular situation with this site is that the owners are somewhat reliant on the ACO for their living. And as such, the site has a status which it is anxious to preserve. Hence some of the "rules" by which we live here.

The ACO are very unhappy at any alternative market in it's tickets, but were (very reulctantly) prepared to allow clubarnage to continue to allow members to sell surplus tickets to other members so long as there was no profit element.

My personal view is that I am not interested in turning a profit from my "mates", but I agree with Big H and others that it's a bit rich when someone walks in "off the street" and bags a top dollar ticket for face value, possibly with the intention of reselling to make money. That's being screwed.

I have no problem with "free markets" and was thinking that this year's spares might go on eBay, once I had offered them here. But whether I could have been bothered is another matter, and it's academic anyway as they have all gone now...

I have from time too time had spare tickets to sell, and had never considered that the person buying them is then going to sell them on again for huge profit. :-[

If you look on e.bay, numbered houx tickets are selling there for £100+, the same guy has 5 I think at the moment for sale.

The camping ticket situation is getting out of hand now, less than 10 years ago we never bothered pre booking, Now I am sure people are pre booking far more than they need and selling them on for huge profits.
In my view, the ACO are aware if this and see the large mark up and will over time hike the price to match.

Maybe the ACO should stop selling camping tickets in advance and just sell them on the gate?

This will show a Newbie due to new email and even then I read most weeks but only have posted to attempt to get a camping ticket as i have been part of a group until last year hence a low posting rate!

Were does the "just buy one or two extra for my mates" end and profiteering begin? Surely by bulk buying you are just helping the tout.

If the ACO were organised and actually supplied what people ordered they would be able to cater for someone who just wants one ticket rather than being dazzled by larger orders!

Personally i was hoping that this site were going to bulk buy as the posting went last year. So i still have no camping permit!! :(

A thankyou to Simon KE for my tickets (hope you enjoyed the gig) . We had an excellent time. He turned down my offer and charged me  £60 less than i offered for the 2 MB tickets. There is a moral in there.

Mark

Yep Broken, there lies the dilemma.

I have a "standing order" with teh ACO which I am loathe to change in case it screws up next year's. Sometimes I have used ALL my allocation, most years have used much of it and this year hardly any. But I have to confirm and buy the tickets long before my friends make up their minds.  Hence my surplus this year, all of which have gone at cost to people here.

You may have read elsewhere about the bulk purchase. Initially the ACO didn't take it seriously. I received no letter of allocation. I wrote to them in Feb asking, and they did say then that I could have 300 Beasejour tickets. But I think since the initial enthusiasm, we realised that although the regulars here might well want to camp together, they are usually part of a larger group who have their "set ways" and would not want to be herded into an unknown area. Plus of course no-one would be prepared to let their allocation go unless we had a definite allocation which suited them. And Beasejour wouldn't have done.

You are right, if the ACO were able to organise it better then the whole performance would rectify itself. That, unfortunately, is out of our hands...

C'est le vie


i reckon covers it! Now i am wondering if i can spell...

that said. i am much happier getting a ticket from here where at least my lack of effort will be put towards somebodys beer mountain  ;D :P