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whos your tips to win sebring 12hrs

Keiron Fallon...

But he won't win it, he'll just lead from the start for 11 hours, 59 minutes and 30 seconds  ;D

Hmm...Sebring is a very unique event.  There's an old cliche that the 12 Hours is half as long and twice as hard as Le Mans.  The circut itself presents several challenges.  Being an old B-17 training base, it retains some of the old concrete runways and crumbling expansion joints while much of the rest of the circut is smooth tarmac.  The resulting surface changes, combined with the fact that it's quite a fast circut make it a real car breaker.  A few years ago Henri Pescarolo brought his Courage-Poor Joe over effectively as a test for Le Mans to see what they could break.  Halfway through the race they interviewed him to see how things were going.  He said they broke everything,  right up to the alternator mounting bracket.
On form the two Audi UK and Champion Audi R8's have to be odds on favorites.  I think the Rob Dyson Racing Lola-MG's are a match for outright pace but have yet to prove they can run through the twelve hours trouble free.  Intersport always produce lovely cars but are yet to prove themselves serious contenders.   In GTS?  Vette, Vette, and everyone else.  The new 575 are unproven and are fielded by a new equipe.  Not the recipe for a Sebring winner.  The Saleens?  They'll fall to pieces by the third hour as usual.  In GT?  Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, etc...Alex Job Racing is Porsche quasi factory arm and you'd be a fool to bet against them.  Flying Lizard was impressive at Daytona but that was Grand-Am, this is ALMS, welcome to the big time.  The TVR's will make alot of noise and be fun to watch getting knocked around by the fast guys.
John

Hi Fax, Could not have said it better my self. It is a great race. I look forward to seeing you on Saturday morning. look for theCanadian Flag. We intend to be in  the same place as last year.
Canada Phil
Roads to Drive and fuel to Burn.... Keep on Rocking in the Free World

Hey Phil,
Looking forward to seeing you too.  Its been a while.  You and Moose have a safe trip down.  We'll be there bright and early Sat. morning, hungover and piled into Big Red as usual, R2 rolling around in the back and loaded for bear.  Let the Florida sun shine!
John

Here's a few teaser's from last year.
John

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Well, that didn't work.  I'll try this.

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my mate Peter Baron (BAM - British American Motorsport) driving his brand new T.W.A.T.S. sponsored Porsche 911 GT3 RSR will win!!!

One last try...

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Are you on the RFH cars again too??

we could well be on the RFH cars again...watch this space

we are on the RFH Scaletrix car available in the shops for £24.99 too

how many other people have their team name on a Scaletrix car?

jpchenet - what's the connection with the wine label then? I've seen the bottles in my local Makro store but I haven't tried it yet.

None at all I'm afraid, apart from the fact that we drink it by the case load when we are down there. Although last year we struggled to find any!  Due to the bent neck on the bottles, we called our little group The Winebenders. However, a few wierd looks from strangers and sideways smiles from camp campers last year means we're thinking of changing our team name this year.

LMP - Champion Audi (home field advantage)
GTS - not so sure about this one, but I'll go for Chevrolet over Ferrari, purely because the circuit is so hard on transmissions - the Veloqx developed sequential is an improvement on the factory tranny, but still not as bulletproof as the 'vette's.
GT - Racers Group - though if Flying Lizard is half as good as they were at Daytona, they'll piss it.
1st for an early bath - It was shitty Lister last year - I'm fearful for my beloved Morgan...... perhaps I should sponsor it.

Whatever wins Matt, you will be suitably attired!!!   :)

I met up with Smokie on Monday and he has the t-shirts for you and Dave.

You are are a star player, JP - and no error. Your US equivilants will be passed to Smokey at Sebring. Many thanks, again!

You are very welcome Matt, and thanks very much for the return favour. I look forward to sharing a few cold ones in June!!

Hi ho, Hi ho, it's off to Gatwick I go....

Leaving in 30 mins - v poorly organised this year due to work commitments...but looking forward to it (and meeting old pals) immensely.

At Daytona till Wednesday (oceanside room) poss meeting Canada Phil who is camping nearby. Will probably visit the Speedway, and if I haven't drunk all my money, I might even do the 3 laps with a Pro thing...(err...3 laps with a pro driver, that is...)

Then off to the track for the action - and what a lot of action there is...see http://www.sebringraceway.com/schedule.html. Pidge is still only 50/50 to get there due to an impending op, but Les and other familiar faces will be there (including Chris24)

I promise some pics when I get back

Please behave yourselves while I am away!!! I know I won't!! ;)

Have a great time Smokie!!!!!!!!!

... and please be a nice one and say hello to the Rollcentre crew from me.

Checked the weather forecast this morning for Sebring.  Mostly sunny with temps in the low eighties through next weekend.  Oh yeah...
We're gonna need plenty of sunblock.
John

Forecast is good for race day (low 80's) - it's low 70's o/cast here in Central FL this morning. There's going to be some rain mid-week, so it could get a bit soggy at the circuit between now and Saturday.
Wet qualifying might put an interesting spin on things (no pun intended).

Wotcher Matt,
Found a few bits on Sebring here:

http://www.lmsr.net

It loads up looking like a dogs breakfast, but has some good pics.
H

Is there any coverage of Sebring in the UK (Sky etc..) for those of us who aren't lucky enough to be there???

Neat link H, thanks for that. The circuit is only an hour and a half from my office - and these pics are tempting me to "go and visit some clients" - trouble is Fax has our Supertickets and he doesn't arrive here until Friday.
On the subject of UK TV coverage, I'd be surprised if you get much - but here's an offer if anyone is interested. I have a 'bi-lingual' VCR and will record the excellent Speed Channel coverage on PAL.
I'm happy to mail it to one of you and maybe you could pass it around to those who are interested. 2nd best, I know, but better than nowt, possibly.

Great idea Matt! If I recall correctly, someone on here recently saidf they can copy from VCR to DVD too!! So if we get the Video to them they could perhaps mail out the DVD's??  :)

Yes, I've now got the VCR to DVD software sorted now and the big PC is churning out Le Ronde Infernal discs as I type this.

Matt, so if you would be happy to record to Pal VCR and can get the tape to me, I can do the conversion.

All I need now is a cheap source for DVD-R blank discs.

I'm trying to source some from Thailand at the moment. Watch this space........

Matt,
I can overnight the passes down there if you want to head to the circut this week.  We've also got a vehicle permit as usual.  Let me know.  Nice link H.  Haven't seen that one before.  Looks like someone's already made a mess of their Porsche.
John

Do you source anything else from Thialand??

I've had a look at Motors TV listing and they're showing the Sebring 12 hours on Saturday 20th March at 15:00 and 20:00.

Maybe those of us interested in getting copies could bung a few quid your way Steve to cover the costs, and your time of course. I'd be happy to contribute.

I can also copy from VCR to DVD if it is of any help.

It will be live on MotorsTV. Sadly, I'll have to rely on the the Eurosport summary.  :-\

Following Big H's link above, here's the page that will let you listen to the radio broadcast when it is on  http://www.americanlemans.com/radioweb/radiowebhome.asp

Don't worry about it John, I've too much to do at work to justify it.
See you Friday at OIA.

Just got back from a quick trip to the maggot infested Big Apple - Christ I hate that place - even for a quick in-out on the same day.  This is my last fart around out of town before I head to Orlando on Friday - Matt I get in around 5:45 so that could bode for a troublesome evening.

I cannot believe that we're going to get potentially 6 inches of F-ing snow in Indianapolis on Tuesday - why in God's name did I move from Tampa?  Why???

On a lighter note - the weather forecast for Sebring looks great to me - I can't sodding wait!  Will be getting all the coverage on the old Tivo - can burn DVDs straight from that but unfortunately they're the wrong system for our friends in Blighty or I'd bung a few over.

Wotcher Dave!!

How's fatherhood going? I'll bet you're looking forward to a whole weekend without the sight or smell of full nappies. There is also the promise of a slobber-free shoulder, but I suppose that's not necessarily a dead cert.

Have a good 'un
H

Thanks HGB. Just checked their itinery. Motors TV are showing it live, although there will be a 2 hour gap in the middle to show the live NASCAR race.

Looking into it at the moment!!   ;D ;D

I have a couple of friends who have import Stainless Steel exhaust systems from Thailand for Powerflow and Janspeed. They have a container coming over every couple of weeks and there's always a bit of space. They are also out there every month so any small quantities of items are easily collected.

Woke up to three inches of fricking snow this morning...Ahhhh!
Christ I can't wait till Friday.  Dave, Matt, really looking forward to seeing you guys.  The idea of having some cold ones, puffing on a cigar and hanging out at the hairpin with Phil and the gang sounds pretty damn good to me.  For our friends oversea's, if you get a chance to watch some of the Speedchannel coverage, jump at it.
Its usually outstanding.  The comentators are all racers themselves so they know their sh*t and they have cameras everywhere.
John

Jeezus - spare a thought for these two - especially Phil.
Volusia County had around 3" of rain last night.
Phil - if you have any way of viewing this - come and stay at my gaff.
My cell # is 321 231 8188

Dave,

I have a DVD recorder that can take DVD's burned from either NTSC or PAL broadcast systems (according to the manufacturer). I would welcome the opportunity to take a copy from you and try to copy it for the benefit of anyone over here in the UK that may want one.

It's hammering it down here - the forecast for race day is great, but it might be a little soft under foot at the track.
Trainers might not cut it!

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Not like the lovely view from my back garden then  ;)



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Anyone know of any sports pubs in London or the South that might show it either as a repeat or live (live is a bit hopeful innit)

Now then H.
Fatherhood is incredible.  The few trips I've had to make have been a bastard but I'm getting used to it, and am home still far more than I was before.  Got to a meeting last week with a healthy amount of puke on my shoulder.  Didn't realize he'd given me a goodbye gift that morning.

For those with bairns, it's interesting discussing your upcoming piss-up weekend in the sun with your bleery-eyed Missus at a 3 a.m. feeding.  Somehow, they become a little less excited for you at the prospect of your weekend fun.

Hi Pretzel:

Certainly can send you this if you'd like - depending on how much footage there is, it may end-up being on more than one DVD-R.  I'll get online after this and program taping of all the footage that's on this week if anything other than the race itself.
Dave

Yes, that had crossed my mind, I must admit. I've been thinking about this and I ask myself, "Why? Why should a race weekend accompanied by friends and loved ones always have to be BLIGHTED by horrendous, irresponsible alcoholic abuse? What law states that as soon as you are scooped up from the airport, you must report directly to a bar and commence liver and brain cell destruction, be assaulted by loud music and cigar smoke until the small hours and then be up before daybreak to head out to the circuit - only to start imbibing again, before breakfast and throughout the coming day?
Why don't we just have a pancake and a soda at IHOP, watch a little TV, make up our packed lunches and have a respectable nights sleep, before heading off to the track? Rather than take that huge drag-along cooler, full of beer, we could just pack a couple of bottles of spring water (which is jolly refreshing, when it's warm out) and have a sober and coherant day out at the motor races.
That said, Fax doesn't get into O'town until 8'ish, so I guess it's the beer'n'stogies run, followed by a couple of slotters in't Sho-Boat before picking him up - then more of same 'til 3.00am - then horror fart-fest drive to Hendricks - then renew acquiantences with soggy CA'ers - then hoist a few suds, then breakfast, then a few late morning beers, then celebrate the start with a couple of beers, then hike out to the hairpin, stop for a beer or two, get terrifyingly sunburned, muse, whimsically why Canada Phil carries that enormous flag wherever he goes, take the piss out of Smokey for his girly beer and Gesatapo moderating tactics, stumble to the Stumble Inn, drink, piss, drink, piss, drink, piss, watch a few cars honking around, have a couple more sherbets, circumnavigate the circuit, stagger back to the pit balcony, sit there drinking black beer, praying for it all to end, stagger back to carpark, miraculously sober-up instantly, drive to Denny's to satisfy beer munchies, leave in disgust when kitchen staff wipes his hands on his trousers having 'dropped the kids off at the pool", and pootle back home, have a Guiness nightcap and so to bed.  
Should be a great event and we'd better get organised for Le Mans, for fucks sake.

Just got off my arse and checked the motors tv listing on sky and it looks like 10 hours are being shown live. 4pm-6pm Saturday and 8pm-4am Sunday with Nascar in the middle. Thats the weekend sorted  ;D ;D

And the wife still won't understand why a 24 hour race becomes a 5-6 day event!! ::)

Matt,
About pissed myself laughing when I saw that last post of yours.
Pretty well sums up every race I've been to in the last ten years.
However Daytona was a little strange this year without a grumpy, just woke up Dave yelling at me to get the f**k out of bed (or off the floor in the case of a couple of serious night before sessions)
John

This may be as good a time as any to tell you I've given-up drinking.

Good. All the more for us. You can drive home too.

Oh dear!.....I was only kidding about Grumpy Dave in the Morning.  Do I still need to bring R2?
Fax

Matt...............brilliant.  have a good time  ;D

OK Dave, I'll PM my details.

That's kind of you Gibb - the storm clouds have passed and hopefully Phil has dried out. They should be at the circuit today. God alone knows how folks tent it for 3 days prior to the race - I'm way too old for that malarky any more. I'd be ready to go home by the time the race started. Same with Le Mans, really. I simply do not have the endurance to rough it for several days prior to the event. The earliest I ever arrived at the circuit was Thursday afternoon, with the benefit of a quite luxurious RV - and even then, I was total dogshit by the time the race started.
How all you guys, who arrive on the preceeding Monday, actually make it through to race day impresses and baffles me.

Stamina, training and French beer  ::)

Also, having driven 450 miles in one day in an open, 2 seat sports car with little or no creature comforts, believe me, you'd sleep anywhere!

A few St. Paddy's Day pints tonight at the pub then home and its time to break out The Speed Merchants.  This is an old pre-Sebring tradition for me.  For those unfamiliar with this film it recounts the 1972 World Championship for Makes from the perspective of the factory Ferrari and Alfa Romeo teams and is narrated by Mario Andretti and Vic Elford with help from Brian Redman, Jacky Ickx and Helmut Marko.  Great footage from Sebring,  Le Mans, Watkins Glen, the Nurburgring and the Targa Florio.  The Targa footage being especially mind boggling.  Vic Elford's account of Jo Bonnier's fatal accident at Le Mans is very sad though.  The Sebring stuff is alot of fun to watch, amazing how much remains the same there.  Mario testing the 312PB and describing how horrendous the bumps are and what their like to hit at 180 mph.
John

Hmmm, not so sure, Steve. Ricrardo and I drove down in 85 in a Dax Cobra (and got seriously rear-ended by a dufus in a Range Rover) and I drove my Corvette down (with the roof off, all the way) in 2001, and I've done the trip by all manner of vehicles in between - so I don't think the drive is the issue.
French beer is poisonous. Period. During our early excursions to La Sarthe, we used to buy very large quantities of Export 33, Kanterbrau and Kroney - it's all utter piss. There is only one thing worse than drinking utter piss and that is drinking warm utter piss, which we also did for a few years until we got our act together. We used to meet up with a crowd of German lads in late 80's/early 90's who introduced us to Warsteiner, Dab and a couple of other German 'cooking' beers - nothing outrageous, but tasty and not full of the sheott that fucks you up with cheap French beer.
Regarding practice, I've had quite a lot. I'm not proud of the fact that I drink more than I should, but it is a fact. I just refuse to buy crap anymore. It costs a little more, but does not result in barfing/tipping. (The subject of 'beer tipping' has been covered on this forum extensively in the past - for those unfamiliar with this despicable and jeuvenile activity, it usually involves loud, irritating morons who act like they are pounding the suds, but are really surrepticiously tipping 50% of it in the bushes, because they are beer pansies). They are a common sight at Le Mans.
So it all comes down to stamina - and here, Steve, you have hit the nail squarly on the head. I have neither the inclination or tolerance to endure 3 or more days under canvas/car roof, scary toilets, theives and being surrounde by dickheads, who's idea of humour is throwing water at strangers - and all this before the frickin' race even gets under way.
It does worry me that maybe I'm turning into an old fart, but then I'm heartened by many thousands of people like me at Le Mans, who look and act like they share my humble opinion - i.e. have a great time, without being a total pain in the arse to others.
You said it right, Steve - stamina, is what I lack.
 

Matt's previous comments about the end of the race are classic.  Praying for it all to end.  This is something that if you only head to Le Mans you sometimes don't fully appreciate vs. the Petit or Sebring that end late into the night.  Here's a shot from a couple of Sebring's ago that's all smiles after a punishing several days.  Basically a horrible piss-up the day and night before the race and then through to the bitter end.  God, I love this event.

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And here's the Moose the same year - bake for 5 hours at 400 degrees and then add a light sprinkling of seasoning.

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And Smokie, last year, contemplating what threads to delete when he got home from Sebring.

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I'm back, somewhat jet lagged and supposed to be working...

Terrific trip, despite poor weather for Monday and Tuesday in Daytona. Race day was cloudy, on and off, but not wet or cold!

Thanks to Pidge and Canada Phil for their assistance with equipment and vittals...to the Harpers and Fax for the loan of the Pit tickets...to Chris24 (who will no doubt relay some of his excellent stories later this week) for getting Phil and I VIP access to the Turn 10 group, and to Phil for introducing me to Ron Fellowes before he went out to win the GTS class (and also Max Papis for almost running me down in a buggy!)

I screwed up in that I intended getting ALL CA t shirt owners together for a group picture, which never happened.

Anyway here are a few other pics that may be of interest...

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A Daytona Parking lot on Tuesday...



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This one will assist you identifying the Harpers, Fax and the Moose from the back...



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Phil always was one for the laydeez......  ;)


Actually, you can see on his hand a rather nasty injury, which was an insect bite that went bad. The race medics did their stuff on him, but one unfortunate side effect was that he was unable to drink alcohol due to the medication... The ladies here were with our group (I think Pidge had the whole of his extended family there this year!!) and as qualified nurse types were able to reset bandages etc.




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And lastly for now...our camp in the throes of being erected. Phil is on the right, Pidge is centre and Chris is on the left, scratching his arse with a tent peg by the looks...

Pidge had the banner made up specially for the event, and has given it to me to be used at Le Mans this year. If anyone who will be arriving early can fashion some pipework for it to be raised upon, that would be excellent.

Having been through my pics, I am disappointed that I have very few "people" pics so hopefully once Phil or Chris get home we will get to see some more.

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Nice one Smokie:

Obviously it was great seeing you guys too.  What the hell was Phil doing with his hand in a fire ant hill is what I want to know?

He and Pidgeon appeared to on "harder stuff" than beer all weekend in terms of prescription meds!

Attached are a couple of pics - what a great race this is.

Matt's dream car impressed me.  That Aero 8 was smoking like a steam engine in the Safety Pin 6 hours in and was still honking around at the end.

Great to see everyone!


Dave

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Matt, Phil and Smokie taking in some sun.

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Mid-trudge around the track.  All along the stretch after the hairpin are some fantastic vantage points - especially with the sun going down.

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And finally, a quick shot of my new car parked behind the pits.  It was a bastard getting the beer cooler in it.

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Dave - can i have the keys back to my car now please??

I only lent it to you to go round the block - how did you get it all the way to Sebring for gods sake?   :o

Nice pics though  ;)

Hmmm, I'm really not sure how I feel about having my physical identity exposed to all - I've had a few run-ins on this forum and I'm slightly nervous about CA psychopaths being able to recognise me - but on reflection, I don't f**k*ng care - and if you want to make something of it, I'm the fair haired one with the glasses.

Another thoroughly enjoyable weekend (I need another weekend to get over this one). Great to see Phil, Smokey, Chris and the entire flock of Pigeons.

I'm going to put my hands up and eat humble pie on the Morgan. The car and the team gave a great account of themselves and should earn a place at Le Mans on the strength of their effort. It was a little pedestrian, but made it to the finish, which is an accomplishment in itself. Likewise 50% of the TVR effort made it to the end, albeit rather slowly.
Corvettes totally outclassed everything in GTS - even after the # 4 car's clutch failed, putting it out of the race. This car started from the back of the grid, due to an aero infringement in qualifying. 40 minutes after the start, it had made up more than 25 places and was running immediately behind it's sister car. Highly impressive - and Ferrari should be worried for Le Mans.
All credit to Audi UK for the overall victory - my tip, the Champion car, tangled with a back marker and spent a lot of time behind the wall, so it's 4th quarter charge, that got it back up to 2nd at the flag was pretty hot stuff. It will keep the Veloqx guys from getting complacent at La Sarthe.
A great race, lots of fun, now for the biggie....  

Matt, does this mean the humble pie is going to cost you £25, to sponsor a Morgan.
Great Pics.
Brian

Brian - Matt was so overcome with emotion over the Morgan performance it was embarrassing.  He was wiping tears from his eyes as that bulbous smoking heap spluttered over the start/finish line at 10:30 p.m.

Thank God for BMW V8 motors eh?

Nice to see the Smokie in that t shirt. And it fits.

I watched the race on Motors TV , and was pleased to the Morgan finished. even better to see someone eat huble pie , although it looks like most of you ate a little too much.

Having commended the Morgan and TVRs for finishing, watching their on-track performance certainly reinforced how horribly slow they are.  Finishing is obviously no insignificant accomplishment - especially on that track, but sitting in the pits balcony, it was clear how out-powered or out-set up the cars were.  They would essentially pull over close to the pit wall and let the entire field including all 911s piss past them.

Shame they're not faster as it would certainly give UK fans a little more to cheer about in June.

I can't tell you how hurt I feel by your cruel comments, Robbo. You really know how to cut a guy down to size. I'm hubbled, truly hubbled.

Hi Brian
You got me there dude. However, I can't think that my 25 quid would make much difference, so, on balance I think I'll just give it to the RSPCA, as I feel that one of their wheezing old dogs will have an equal chance of winning GT at Le Mans.

-and you had the nerve to have a go at my stringbacks.....
H



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Hey Matt, are you saying you are hung like a telescope?

I noted the choice of footwear too. Shoulda worn a pair of these too for that proper man about town look.

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Has anyone else noticed the similarity between our correspondent Harper M and TV funnyman Phil Jupitus?

Piccies below; one is of a goatee bearded, somewhat chubby, lovable humourous gentleman. The other is of a fat tw at from Yorkshire.

Really?  Where?
 ::)

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OK, so far  ;)

And here's the other

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Hmmmmmmm.  Thats a bit tricky Zarse.  any clues to help us along?

Yes. Read the thread again. ;)

Sorry Andy just trying to make life a little more difficult.   ;)

I suspect Matt will be getting into the office any minute now.  This should be an entertaining morning.  Anyone have a clue as to what the f**k was spraying out of the front of the Morgan everytime it accelerated out of the hairpin?  Looked like the bastard was going to scatter any minute.  Would've been alarming to be the driver sitting there waiting to be clobbered in the face by connecting rods.  Wasn't terribly fast but was fun to watch, especially at night, it was a great flamer on over-run.
John

It was probably the wooden chassis on fire Fax.

Do you think MH will be amused as to my likening him to a TV comic?

PS Glad you all had a great time at See-bring. Followed it on the box, but I hadn't previously realised quite what a tough and bumpy curcuit it is.

Talking of Morgan's and things going wrong...

which of these has the Union Jack upside down?



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Hi Andy,
That guy does look like Matt!  For sure, Sebring is a car buster.  Fast and bumpy as hell.  The drivers all look shattered when they finish a stint.  After the 4 Vette packed up, we found Jan Magnassun hanging out with the party'ers out at turn ten knocking back a few cold ones.  Probably trying to drown his aching muscles.  Was a great time, Sebring is such a blast.
John

Mornin' H. You will be relieved to learn that none of those feet are mine - and t'was I that flamed your stringbacks - and therefore must take the repercussions - review pix and find something to slag me off on - I can take it.

No - I was saying that Robbo can't spell worth a sh*t - but his jokes are quite funny, once you can see through the bitter, venomous diatribe. Good for you Robbo, at least you speak your mind!

You are not the first person to mention this Andy - I have also been likened to both Bob Carolgees and Ricky Gervais - I always thought I looked more like Antonio Banderas, but my modesty prevented me from broadcasting this view.
On a more serious note, I think your last sentence was quite nasty and personally hurtful. I wish to make it clear, so that there are no misunderstandings on this matter, that I am not from Yorkshire - I merely lived there for a time.

There was an aero 8 parked at the bottom of our road yesterday, and for the first time I got a close up look at one.
It's a terrible mistake, without doubt.
The windscreen is flat and rectangular ("aero" my a*se, whatever that stands for surely it can't be "aerodynamic". Aerosol maybe.). It gives it a certain Land Rover Defender air. The doors don't actually fit into a hole, which is something that most manufacturers seem to have decided is a good thing. Instead, the doors close over the hole, so they have a flapping, non flush trailing edge. There must be a reason for this? Perhaps this is the part of the assembly process that the factory cat is in charge of. The screws that hold the bottom edge of the wings onto the chassis have not been subjected to any attempt to have their heads hidden. I made a bogey when I was twelve, that I'm sure had neater edges. The marriage of attempted modern styling and traditional details is not a happy one, generally you have to scratch your head while looking at it.
Well done for finishing Sebring though, I'm just not sure what it all means...
H

Hi Matt

Please forgive me, I was trying to be ironic. I was attempting to imply that Jupitus is a fat tw at and that you are a humourous dilitante, even though you may happen to be a bit little on the "big boned" side. No offence was personally intended and I unreservedly apologise if any was taken. And anyway I know you are really from Cheshire. Respek is due.

I can't see the Carolgees in you mind, less so the Gervais. Maybe a little bit of Peter Kay though and definitly Danny Mills, the sports commentator and journo.  Actually I retract the Mills comment, Mills is gay and this fact is likely to lead to further needless hurt on your part.

Now can we please get back to slagging each other off in the time honoured tradition?

 ;D - Good one.  I thought being acused of being a Yarksha native would fire you up.

The nearest flag ( and spelt wight 2 )

Neber tought how 2 spel. fik as fok me

I thought the correct way was broadest white band uppermost on the left hand side. Bearing in mind the flagpole is on the right as we look, that makes it the left as the flag flies. So the nearest flag is the correct one and the other is upside down. (I think!!  ::) )

H - your (well earned) status as "Golden Balls" of the CA Forums allows you to make a posting like this and not be subjected to an hysterical tirade of protest from the Morgan Booster Club.
Your observations, however accurate and thoughtful, are tantamount to blasphemy and you are risking relegation from all round Good Egg, with slightly eccentric tendencies, to traitorous, unpatriotic, baby-eating monster, who must be destroyed.
Both Morgan and TVR (sorry about this, hgb) are outclassed, if last weekend's performance is anything to go by.
At risk of repeating myself, I think that most teams go sportscar racing for one of two reasons. One, to win and two, to enjoy the experience of participation. If you race for reason 2, it is hardly reasonable to expect the fans to pay for your enjoyment. Variety is the spice of life and an entire GT grid of 996's would be very dull, but the Aero 8 is not worthy of GT status in a world championship event, when there are cars like Astons, Ferraris, Maseratis, Lambos etc. etc., that can actually keep up with a Porker.
The ACO once bumped a Morgan from scrutineering because it looked "old fahioned". Dare I say it, one of the few sensible decisions those clowns have made in recent years.......    

Andy - I did wonder - but was unaware that Phil Jupitus is a Tyke. I deny being big boned. I am a 250 lbs sex machine. I was not personally offended by your earlier comments - but I am now. Cheshire? Where the f**k did that come from? I'm a nomad, if the truth be known. I was born in Gloucester and from there was relocated/dragged/run out of Reading, Chelmsford, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Nottingham, Harrogate, York, Stafford, Leeds, St Leonards-on-Sea, Leeds, Bradford and finally O'town, FL.
I have a history of backing losers (Nottingham Forest FC and the Cincinnati Bengals are two good examples), so me sponsoring a Morgan at Le Mans would be the kiss of death.
As for reverting to the happy passtime of trading insults, I'm trying to change my ways. I've had my face punched too many times.
You opened my eyes somewhat, with your observations of my cyniscism and mistrust of others. Life's too short to be sour and suspicious and sniping and cruel.
I'm turning over a new leaf and starting anew, you bald c**t.

Did anyone video the Motors TV coverage last Saturday?

I was out and about and forgot to set the timer  :'(

How dare you call me bald,  >:( you well travelled, non-yorkshire, reformed character with whom I am looking forward to meeting at the poo bar this year. Provided you can be bothered to turn up, unlike last year. :D

No. Sorry.

Smokie , how it should look.



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Ah yes Andy, I was part of that gig too.  We were there - we saw Phil, Gilles and Lord Steve I believe - they were all WANCERS (and wankered) from what I remember.

But there is a caveat for our absence after that.

We had completely run out of Guinness by the end of Friday night (I won't go into how much we went through but needless to say we were all fully paid up members of the black turd gang by then).  We had also horribly miscalculated our mobile champers supply and had sent some of our merry band to buy more supplies in Le Mans that day.  They returned with Heinken (which isn't really the best salvation for Saturday and Sunday) and a suspicious volume of champagne at a "great price".

Our initial sampling of the champers immediately clued us in to the fact that it was total pig urine.  Undrinkable swill that doomed us to Heineken and track Champers.

Needless to say we were in total depression and desperation by the time the CA meet-up came around so had slippled away to kill ourselves.

That's the story for publication anyway.  However, we have no Doris' in tow this year so it should be a bit more of a free-flowing event.  Assuming we can get our sodding flights arranged - so far everythings crazy money.  Matt, can we turn your Vette into a Cuban floating vehicle and start out next week?

I protest! I was there last year - just ask Powermite, Lord Steve, Canada Phil and Gilles (who had the affrontary to criticise our mondo drag-along coolers). I suspect young Gilles might have shares in the Champagne Bar, as he seemed somewhat put-out that in and amongst the veritible cornucopia of beverages within, we were toting about 10 bottles of (marginally) better champagne.
Phil was his usual maple leaf bedecked self, PM looked more like Ron Fellows than Ron Fellows does and Lord Steve looked hammered off his tits (though I understand that this is quite normal and I should not worry about it).
Likewise, I look forward to meeting with you in June. When are you departing for the colonies?

Would you care to be a little more specific on this, Dave?

Yep, that's the way Robbo!!  :)

Steve,

Dave H. has recorded some of the U.S. TV coverage (in fact a hell of a lot!) and is sending over some DVD's to me. My DVD recorder/player is supposed to have the capability to play NTSC broadcast material so I am going to have a go at converting the footage to PAL. You would be welcome to a copy if it turns out OK - I'ts the least I could do after you sent me a copy of 'La Ronde Infernale' and Brooklands history.

If I fail in the conversion process all may not be lost. Check out your DVD kit - it may already be capable of interpreting NTSC stuff. I can easily copy it straight.

Aren't sex machines big boned?   :P  

Just been looking at www.sebringfans.com and happened to find a picture of myself on there at the F troop party from around 2.30am Sunday morning after the race. Scary, is my hair really that non exsistant on top !

I found this in the F Troop galleries, but I can't see what you mean about your hair.




Oh wait, that's not you, is it Chris...


(I feel I'm tempting fate with this one... ::) )

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...Camel's hoof comes to mind  ::)

Try sending it to these fine people:

http://www.cameltoe.org/haiku.html

While we are on this topic. Here is our lovely rhowena sporting the 2004 Clubarnage T Shirt. Ask nicely and I'll show you the front too...

(http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/photospeed/clubarnagesm.jpg)

Please.........

(http://www.happysnax.com.au/cardimgdir/begging.gif)

Robbo, you didn't tell me there were CA pink panties!!!



Purleeeeese Dave

Please, please, please, pretty please, er, please...

How much more grovelling do we have to do?

By the way, what superb lighting on that photograph, and an excellent model too if I may say so.

Err, Robbo, mine doesn't look like that on me!

 :P :P :P

Show us the front! Now!

Please, please, please.

Is that enough now ???

(http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/photospeed/040326_dd_0437.jpg)

(http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/photospeed/040326_dd_0484.jpg)

Dave,
I err..
oh, never mind....
H

Would you like a spare dustcap?

(http://www.posterboys.net/homer-drool.gif)

I have a very fine club arnage cotton thread any chance of getting rhowena to model that as well  :o :P :o

a fine example of when to use a tri-pod. shakey hands anyone.
hubba-hubba

I think it's time to dig out the old leather gimp mask....

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Carefull  :o

(http://logo.cafepress.com/6/126819.140376.jpg)

With Atomic Kitten, Rhowena is the girl who would make lie the continental idea that every british lady is quite not beautiful  :P

Nice mumblers there Rhowena!  Lip reading has always been a passtime of mine.

SHWING


And i thought anna looked good in those T-Shirts.


Dave does she fancy modelling my SPS versions ???


Everyone Else -

New Merchandise - Pink LM Panties.

  :o :o :o

phew........


thanks for that!


I didn't realise how much I needed that.

 :) :) :)

Errrm...I hate to ask....are there any without the pinks??   :P :P :P

Try looking at

www.davedaviesphoto.com

then click link to the lovely lady herself.  What a job. .......

Oh shaking mouse  :o :o :o

I want to be that sunflower.............PLEASE PLEASE

You have to look through the pictures.  Dribble dribble.  Wheres that bloody sock......... :-\

For the Rhow fans here at CA forum;  she has her own
site at http://www.rhowena.com (http://www.rhowena.com) and her own forum that is oddly similar to the CA forum. Strange eh ;-)

http://www.rhowena.com/yabbse/ (http://www.rhowena.com/yabbse/)

She also has a subscription site

http://www.rhowena.com/secure/FrontEnd/frontpage.htm (http://www.rhowena.com/secure/FrontEnd/frontpage.htm)

I'm sure she would be happy to model your SPS version.

I'm also thinking of auctioning off the one she wore....

GF

Getting a new one printed in Small ? And will send to you.

Yes, small is it...  ;)

Take care

GF