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Club Arnage => General Discussion => Topic started by: lofty on August 10, 2013, 07:23:29 pm



Title: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: lofty on August 10, 2013, 07:23:29 pm
just a thought for the future,with diesels trying hard to break into the us and far eastern markets could we see the wec be over run with tractor engines.could even have a truck category like the dakar?


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Lorry on August 10, 2013, 09:10:16 pm
I think it would be supported in the UK, as after last weeks Top Gear, it is clear that our car industry is now making ice cream vans, ride on lawn mowers, JCB diggers and the odd Morgan.  Pit stops, where you had to serve 20 cones, mow a lawn, dig a trench or spray the car for woodworm should be encouraged ;D

Sarcasm over - they should all look like this

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/Lorrylemans/Goodwood%20FoS13/IMGP3467.jpg)


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: jimclark on August 11, 2013, 02:15:19 am
Siiiiggghhhhh...... :( 

(see signature....)


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Grand_Fromage on August 11, 2013, 05:23:28 pm
I think the days of diesel domination are over.

Toyota are already challenging Audi with their petrol powered hybrid, and there will also be the petrol powered Porsche LM P1 next year. Currently nobody in the US or Asian series is (or is planning to) run diesel power.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: geoffd on August 12, 2013, 01:39:32 pm
Currently nobody in the US or Asian series is (or is planning to) run diesel power.

But aren't Mazda running a diesel powered car in the Grand AM GX class to test the power plant for LMP2? At least that's what I thought I heard a while back.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Grand_Fromage on August 12, 2013, 04:28:33 pm
 It would surprise me if Mazda are planning a factory team to run Diesel in P2, but I'm often wrong!

Currently nobody in the US or Asian series is (or is planning to) run diesel power.

But aren't Mazda running a diesel powered car in the Grand AM GX class to test the power plant for LMP2? At least that's what I thought I heard a while back.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Lorry on August 12, 2013, 04:53:51 pm
It would surprise me if Mazda are planning a factory team to run Diesel in P2, but I'm often wrong!

Currently nobody in the US or Asian series is (or is planning to) run diesel power.

But aren't Mazda running a diesel powered car in the Grand AM GX class to test the power plant for LMP2? At least that's what I thought I heard a while back.
This is the Mazda 6 saloon/coupe, and the GX class is stock based.  The motor is 50% stock but has grown another turbo (one big, one small) and the car is cleaning up.  According to the press, they were planning to put the motor in an LMP2 car for Le Mans this year, but development was delayed.

What a disappointment - even Madza, famous for the screaming rotaries have gone diesel :(


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Grand_Fromage on August 12, 2013, 08:33:34 pm
"even Madza"

Who else? Only Audi currently as far as I know.

The "Diesels are taking over" moaning was justified during the Peugeot vs Audi period, but is actually becoming less and less so as time goes on. Audi are unlikely to rain on the Porsche parade, in the same way they 'stood aside' for Bentley.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: lofty on August 13, 2013, 06:52:24 am
with the new engine regs mazda could run rotary again and  gas turbine engines.honda even build a diesel now.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: jimclark on August 13, 2013, 07:01:48 am
I WANNA SEE TURBINES AGAIN!!!!!  :o 8) ;D

(Seriously, I do... :) )


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Grand_Fromage on August 13, 2013, 10:36:19 am
Performance map of ALMS vs GrandMA

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1148916_10151682752452108_618811353_n.jpg)


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: lofty on August 14, 2013, 05:34:44 pm
i wanna hear turbines again


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Lorry on August 14, 2013, 06:00:45 pm
i wanna hear turbines again
Like this ???   Yes please

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyfl5hfjFV1qaqnz9o1_500.jpg)


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Boorish Grobian on August 14, 2013, 07:40:07 pm
With all due respect guys, why would anyone want to hear turbines again?  They're as dull sounding as the oil burners.  Jet turbines have ruined the sport of unlimited hydroplane racing.  They used to have the throaty roar of RR Merlins,, now just a montone whine.
Personally I always loved the bark & crackle of a DFV, the scream of a Ferrari, or Alfa flat 12, or the bellow of a unlimited boost turbo offy, but those days are long gone.
Fax


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Lorry on August 14, 2013, 08:14:50 pm
With all due respect guys, why would anyone want to hear turbines again?....
Because they didn't win everything ;)


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: lofty on August 14, 2013, 08:28:25 pm
different.like the dutch jet engined tractor in tractor pulling,wierd but nice.like the bretheren.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Lazy B'stard on August 28, 2013, 12:11:37 pm
With all due respect guys, why would anyone want to hear turbines again?  They're as dull sounding as the oil burners.  Jet turbines have ruined the sport of unlimited hydroplane racing.  They used to have the throaty roar of RR Merlins,, now just a montone whine.
Personally I always loved the bark & crackle of a DFV, the scream of a Ferrari, or Alfa flat 12, or the bellow of a unlimited boost turbo offy, but those days are long gone.
Fax

Like. :)


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: jimclark on August 29, 2013, 06:54:05 am
With all due respect guys, why would anyone want to hear turbines again?  They're as dull sounding as the oil burners.  Jet turbines have ruined the sport of unlimited hydroplane racing.  They used to have the throaty roar of RR Merlins,, now just a montone whine.
Personally I always loved the bark & crackle of a DFV, the scream of a Ferrari, or Alfa flat 12, or the bellow of a unlimited boost turbo offy, but those days are long gone.
Fax

I love the sounds of which you speak.

But I am a race fan ('have participated in my small way..) and have an appreciation for whatever works, The Howmet was not a major effort. The Indycars ('67 and '68) were.

'Understanding the "excitement" of the sound of race cars; I am more interested in the tech...

'Nuff said. :)


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: lofty on August 29, 2013, 04:43:52 pm
here it is 4 russian helicopter turbines.mental or what?


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Fran on August 29, 2013, 04:52:48 pm
Which way is forward?

... good to see they have made room for one of those blue folding picnic tables ...


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: lofty on August 31, 2013, 02:26:01 pm
the things on the front are the base speakers Fran for special dutch picnic music.as for which is front and back i have no idea.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Lazy B'stard on September 03, 2013, 10:34:50 am
You see that is what happens when you legalise cannabis.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: lofty on September 03, 2013, 08:01:17 pm
i would like to see Jan land that outside a cafe.man.


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: jimclark on September 04, 2013, 06:25:19 am
You see that is what happens when you legalise cannabis.

Hmmmm......  Is that people that eat people???? 


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: LangTall on October 01, 2013, 11:04:04 am
Which way is forward?

... good to see they have made room for one of those blue folding picnic tables ...
Usually on tractor pulling the big wheels are on the rear Fran ;)


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Fran on October 01, 2013, 02:44:33 pm
Usually on tractor pulling the big wheels are on the rear Fran ;)

Oooookaaaaay - so wouldnt those exhaust outlets blow you outta the driving seat?!

 ??? - increasingly confused!


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: Chris24 on October 01, 2013, 06:35:38 pm
No Fran, the exhausts are pointed upwards so the blast exits in front of and above the driver. Personally I favour the 3 Allison engines or 5 supercharged Chevy route for power when it comes to tractor pulling but turbines are also impressive. Each Chevy putting out around 2500 HP. ;D


Title: Re: diesels in lmp2 and gt?
Post by: lofty on October 01, 2013, 07:31:51 pm
my dutch mate told me they put pots of lavender in front of the intakes so the driver gets a nice smelling bouffant.