Title: Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Stu on October 09, 2003, 10:12:39 am
On a F1 subject I see Jacques Villeneuve has pulled out of the Japan GP. Well all I can say Jacques is Blub Blub Blub. Just making himself out to be a big tosser me thinks.
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Mr. Rick on October 09, 2003, 12:25:39 pm
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Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: saveloy on October 09, 2003, 01:03:21 pm
The end of JV at Bar means the end of BAR. With the two no-hopers driving for them, it won't be long before they replace Minardi at the back of the grid. Could be an oportunity for 'beardie' branson to start an F1 team
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Andy Zarse on October 09, 2003, 01:14:04 pm
Ah ha! Sav you have fallen foul of the first rule of modern F1. You actually come into this with the perfectly reasonable misconception that you believe the teams are in F1 to win. Or at least do as well as possible.
They are NOT! They are in it to make money, sell international branded crap to the masses and build little empires. Once you have grasped this, all the rest then makes sense.
And keep that bearded jumper wearing fool out of it. No second thoughts, come on in Richard, the water's lovely...
They are NOT! They are in it to make money, sell international branded crap to the masses and build little empires. Once you have grasped this, all the rest then makes sense.
And keep that bearded jumper wearing fool out of it. No second thoughts, come on in Richard, the water's lovely...
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: hgb on October 09, 2003, 02:18:51 pm
It's actually good for him. Where was/would he (be) go/ing (strike out the appropriate words ;D) with BAR, not far really. And the fact that BAR pulled in Sato for the Suzuka GP only underlines Andy's theory about F1: It's a muppet show.
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Robbo SPS on October 09, 2003, 10:46:30 pm
Hurrah , another time to jump on the I hate F1 soapbox at th the moment soapbox.
I do . its terrible . If you have two drivers then they drive . Obviously the sponsers need the higher revenue withthe Asian drivers at an asain GP . Honda wont win it at the moment . They cant beat Shu man .
Grand prix legends sent out a book to all previous customers , and 1/3 of the book contained Ferrari F1 or Shu things . His revenue for the sport must be more than Minardi have all year to spend.
What happens if shue gets taken out first corner , by Montoya ( no other driver has the gumption) . Will Shue win by default as it wasnt a fair racing incident .
Bulls Ocks it is now . Oy Bernie , you reading this thread , if not youre missing out on the "Fans" views .
Jacques crap anyway ;)
I do . its terrible . If you have two drivers then they drive . Obviously the sponsers need the higher revenue withthe Asian drivers at an asain GP . Honda wont win it at the moment . They cant beat Shu man .
Grand prix legends sent out a book to all previous customers , and 1/3 of the book contained Ferrari F1 or Shu things . His revenue for the sport must be more than Minardi have all year to spend.
What happens if shue gets taken out first corner , by Montoya ( no other driver has the gumption) . Will Shue win by default as it wasnt a fair racing incident .
Bulls Ocks it is now . Oy Bernie , you reading this thread , if not youre missing out on the "Fans" views .
Jacques crap anyway ;)
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Bobblehat on October 10, 2003, 01:00:07 am
JV leaving has been on the cards for months (some say years)
My daughter nearly knee-caped him the night befor the British GP when he was with Williams, its a long story, but it had somthing to do with a baby car seat and pizza.
Always throught it was a shame that C Pollock called his team BAR. To hear Murry anonce that "there was a pair of Polloks on the front row..."
My daughter nearly knee-caped him the night befor the British GP when he was with Williams, its a long story, but it had somthing to do with a baby car seat and pizza.
Always throught it was a shame that C Pollock called his team BAR. To hear Murry anonce that "there was a pair of Polloks on the front row..."
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Fax on October 10, 2003, 06:28:55 am
Okay, time for a reality check for all of those asses who have just started following the sport in recent years. First off, Jacques is a bitch of a racing diver...simply put. His only mistake has been out of loyalty to Pollack, to shackle himself to this pile of sh*t called BAR. This is a guy who took the Formula Atlantic championship is his first season, took the CART title in his second full season, won the Indy 500 that same year (a bit more about that in a second) led his first GP for most of the race before slowed by a oil leak and was World Champion in his second year in F1. You don't do these things by being a complete c**t! His 500 win was f@3cking majestic! Came from two laps down to take the win in a race as gladatorial as anything on the planet. Don't give me a bunch of bullshit about what a test of man & machine Le Mans is. When your spending three hours rocketing around a narrow 2.5 mile oval, surrounded by concrete walls, lapping at an average of 225 MPH, clipping apexes at 240 MPH...That's a test of what clanks when you walk! The fact that he can't stand to have to sit and listen to stupid questions from complete w**k*rs like Nigel Roebuck (Jesus somebody just put a cork in his ego!) doesn't make him a sh*t, just has no tolerance for f**k*ng idiots. Man, the guy is so tired of being asked about stupid refernces to his old man. You can't blame him for being aloof. I spoke to him the morning of his Atlantic win at Mi-Ohio in '93 and he was laid back as hell, f**k*ng great to BS with, but then again, I didn't shove a microphone in his face and say something moronic like "Are you going to win this race for your dad?"
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Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: hgb on October 10, 2003, 08:08:54 am
Easy, Fax, easy... ;D
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Bobblehat on October 10, 2003, 10:06:32 am
There is no doubt that JV is a great driver. He stunded every on at Williams in his 1st year, and that overtaking move on the outside of the Parabolic (I think, too early in the morn) was a stonker. He is a a racers racer, he pushes very hard on everything. I have a JV BAR nose cone at home and to say it is incompleat would be an understatement.
But he will not do the PR thing, and according to some throws his toys out of the pram at the earlist opp, (well it is his team) look how he reacted to Button's arrival (some of the team wernt to keen either!) like John Mcanrow in his hay-day and yes I guess he must get a bit miffed at all the questions about his dad, but bad luck for getting the driving very fast gene!
But he will not do the PR thing, and according to some throws his toys out of the pram at the earlist opp, (well it is his team) look how he reacted to Button's arrival (some of the team wernt to keen either!) like John Mcanrow in his hay-day and yes I guess he must get a bit miffed at all the questions about his dad, but bad luck for getting the driving very fast gene!
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Mr. Rick on October 10, 2003, 10:18:51 am
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Post by: Stu on October 10, 2003, 11:10:49 am
There is no doubt that JV is a great driver. He stunded every on at Williams in his 1st year, and that overtaking move on the outside of the Parabolic (I think, too early in the morn) was a stonker. He is a a racers racer, he pushes very hard on everything. I have a JV BAR nose cone at home and to say it is incompleat would be an understatement.
But he will not do the PR thing, and according to some throws his toys out of the pram at the earlist opp, (well it is his team) look how he reacted to Button's arrival (some of the team wernt to keen either!) like John Mcanrow in his hay-day and yes I guess he must get a bit miffed at all the questions about his dad, but bad luck for getting the driving very fast gene!
My sentiments exactly. I don't doubt his driving ability, I just think the bloke dosn't do himself any favours and makes himself out to be a complete tosser. Aothough he has checked Danni Minogue's temperature with his beef thermometer though.But he will not do the PR thing, and according to some throws his toys out of the pram at the earlist opp, (well it is his team) look how he reacted to Button's arrival (some of the team wernt to keen either!) like John Mcanrow in his hay-day and yes I guess he must get a bit miffed at all the questions about his dad, but bad luck for getting the driving very fast gene!
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Mr. Rick on October 10, 2003, 12:33:51 pm
he has checked Danni Minogue's temperature with his beef thermometer though.
And NAtalie Imbruglia's!!! :P
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Bobblehat on October 10, 2003, 01:42:15 pm
So they are right to drive like JV you need big (fill in the blank)
As for Sato, I think he will be v handy on Sunday, also hes a top bloke lives local to me, drives historics too, OK takes the corners of Lotus at Monaco
As for Sato, I think he will be v handy on Sunday, also hes a top bloke lives local to me, drives historics too, OK takes the corners of Lotus at Monaco
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Andy Zarse on October 10, 2003, 02:57:28 pm
JV good, GV better! Best even.
When I were a lad Gilles V was a great hero. I remember him in the Ferrari fighting with the Renault Turbos like a man possessed. When he got a full blow out on the back tire, bodywork all smased to bits, he refused to slow down and was sliding everywhere. He came into the pits and said something like "stick another f**k*ng wheel on it and send me out again". What a geezer!
When I were a lad Gilles V was a great hero. I remember him in the Ferrari fighting with the Renault Turbos like a man possessed. When he got a full blow out on the back tire, bodywork all smased to bits, he refused to slow down and was sliding everywhere. He came into the pits and said something like "stick another f**k*ng wheel on it and send me out again". What a geezer!
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Fax on October 10, 2003, 04:07:40 pm
Perhaps I was a bit OTT on that little tirade I went on last night, but I get really frustrated when someone is tagged a jerk simply because he refuses to tow the company line and be a talking head for a tobacco company. Jacques is a complete non-conformist just like his father. In that respect, he is a chip off the old block. There's nothing new here either, Nelson Piquet & James Hunt were legendary for their refusal to do PR work and be stuffed into a suit & tie. Just in those days it was seen as being your own man, now you've got the FIA busting your balls everytime you speak your mind. The sport needs people like these to offset the marketing manager's dreams like DC & Mickey the Shue.
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Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Bobblehat on October 10, 2003, 04:23:47 pm
No prob Fax, I ranted it at you............
But not to do the PR in these days, is well commercial suicide, come on he did set the team up, and the name is British American Racing/Tobbacco so he is partly to blame for were he is. Not only PR to the fans and sponsers but also for the guys who build the car, look after them first, and from what i understand he was a bit of the big "I AM" around Brackley. But they still liked him cause he could race the balls of any car they built, well he had to realy they wernt that good
As for James Hunt he was his own PR
But not to do the PR in these days, is well commercial suicide, come on he did set the team up, and the name is British American Racing/Tobbacco so he is partly to blame for were he is. Not only PR to the fans and sponsers but also for the guys who build the car, look after them first, and from what i understand he was a bit of the big "I AM" around Brackley. But they still liked him cause he could race the balls of any car they built, well he had to realy they wernt that good
As for James Hunt he was his own PR
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Robbo SPS on October 10, 2003, 06:25:09 pm
Fax,
I cant comment on JV pre F1, becasue i have never seen him in Cart , 500's etc , but in Formula 1 he has behaved like a spoiled brat. He hasnt shown me anything really special in a car , Alonso is doing well in an improving car .
SHut Me ( micheal ze german ) and DC are really anesthetic , go home and moan at the wife, no one cares .
But 500's being a test of man and machine , machine maybe, but there isnt that much skill in it - retrospectively.
No real braking points , overtaking areas, planning overtakes many corners before , you keep your foot down , lift a little , keep the wheel slightly to the left or right , and hope the engine keeps running and the tyres dont blow. then you can worry about concreate walls.
Dont the drivers get dizzy ??
I cant comment on JV pre F1, becasue i have never seen him in Cart , 500's etc , but in Formula 1 he has behaved like a spoiled brat. He hasnt shown me anything really special in a car , Alonso is doing well in an improving car .
SHut Me ( micheal ze german ) and DC are really anesthetic , go home and moan at the wife, no one cares .
But 500's being a test of man and machine , machine maybe, but there isnt that much skill in it - retrospectively.
No real braking points , overtaking areas, planning overtakes many corners before , you keep your foot down , lift a little , keep the wheel slightly to the left or right , and hope the engine keeps running and the tyres dont blow. then you can worry about concreate walls.
Dont the drivers get dizzy ??
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Fax on October 11, 2003, 12:47:30 am
Hi Robbo,
Actually superspeedway racing is a bit more complicated than the old cliche of keep your foot down and turning left. The key to being fast at a place like Indy is to have the car trimmed out aerodynamically as possible, run with as little downforce as you've got the balls for and then walk a very dangerous tightrope. At 230 mph plus, the cars become terribly sensitive to any slight movement or change of pitch, Nelson Piquet suffered horrendous leg injuries about a decade ago when while running hard in practice, when the yellow flag came out and he lifted suddenly, the aero balance of the car went all wrong, pitching him into a big spin and a violent, head on impact with the fourth turn wall. It takes a very sensitive touch to drive a Champ Car at those speeds and Keke Rosberg has always said that the reason he never attempted Indy was that he never felt he had a delicate enough touch to do it without ending up over at Methodist Hospital in the care of Dr. Trammell. Passing is all about being able to stay close enough to the car in front through the corners to be able to use the slipstream down the straights, but like most single seaters, they're very dependant on clean air flow for the aerodynamics to work properly. When behind another car they lose grip suddenly so it becomes a case of hanging on for dear life through the corners and then it becomes a drag race to the apex of the corner, usually taking place at about 230 mph.
Fax
Actually superspeedway racing is a bit more complicated than the old cliche of keep your foot down and turning left. The key to being fast at a place like Indy is to have the car trimmed out aerodynamically as possible, run with as little downforce as you've got the balls for and then walk a very dangerous tightrope. At 230 mph plus, the cars become terribly sensitive to any slight movement or change of pitch, Nelson Piquet suffered horrendous leg injuries about a decade ago when while running hard in practice, when the yellow flag came out and he lifted suddenly, the aero balance of the car went all wrong, pitching him into a big spin and a violent, head on impact with the fourth turn wall. It takes a very sensitive touch to drive a Champ Car at those speeds and Keke Rosberg has always said that the reason he never attempted Indy was that he never felt he had a delicate enough touch to do it without ending up over at Methodist Hospital in the care of Dr. Trammell. Passing is all about being able to stay close enough to the car in front through the corners to be able to use the slipstream down the straights, but like most single seaters, they're very dependant on clean air flow for the aerodynamics to work properly. When behind another car they lose grip suddenly so it becomes a case of hanging on for dear life through the corners and then it becomes a drag race to the apex of the corner, usually taking place at about 230 mph.
Fax
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Dave H on October 12, 2003, 02:54:18 am
Hey Fax:
I don't think you need to apologize for speaking your opinion. Remember, Club Arnage is all about picking fights! I find your comments interesting. I always thought JV was pretty cool in his Champ days - certainly mixed it up - far more interesting to watch than Mansell climbing out of his car half way through a race with a "bad back" as soon as it was clear he wasn't in a potential winning position.
P.s. Are you beginning to become as morose as I am at the prospect of not being at RA next weekend? Thought so.
dh
I don't think you need to apologize for speaking your opinion. Remember, Club Arnage is all about picking fights! I find your comments interesting. I always thought JV was pretty cool in his Champ days - certainly mixed it up - far more interesting to watch than Mansell climbing out of his car half way through a race with a "bad back" as soon as it was clear he wasn't in a potential winning position.
P.s. Are you beginning to become as morose as I am at the prospect of not being at RA next weekend? Thought so.
dh
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Fax on October 12, 2003, 06:31:55 pm
Hi Dave & Matt,
Yeah, I'm starting to get a serious case of the sulks over the Petit. Contemplating spreading red clay all over my living room, stuffing R2 full of Buds & Gwin's and parking him in front of the TV. Give my love to Tessa when she gets into town and tip a few cold ones for me. Dave, thanks again man for the suite gig a couple of weeks ago. That was a blast. Nothing like the jungle yell of those 3 litre screamers reverberating off the stands on both sides of the pit straight. On the subject of JV. He had one of the most priceless post race comments I've ever heard after his '95 Indy win. He and the team are in victory lane with the usual chaos going on around him, well, Jack Arute (for all of our Euro friends, this guy is completely in love with himself, has the perpetual George Hamilton tan and is always trying to come up with something self-serving and clever to say. Just a total obnoxious w**k*r) sticks his ABC sports microphone and asks Jacques "Did you win this race for your dad?" Jacques looks back with a bemused expression and says "No, my father's been dead for over a decade, I won this for myself and the team" for once Arute didn't have a clue what to say, its was f**k*ng precious!
Fax
Yeah, I'm starting to get a serious case of the sulks over the Petit. Contemplating spreading red clay all over my living room, stuffing R2 full of Buds & Gwin's and parking him in front of the TV. Give my love to Tessa when she gets into town and tip a few cold ones for me. Dave, thanks again man for the suite gig a couple of weeks ago. That was a blast. Nothing like the jungle yell of those 3 litre screamers reverberating off the stands on both sides of the pit straight. On the subject of JV. He had one of the most priceless post race comments I've ever heard after his '95 Indy win. He and the team are in victory lane with the usual chaos going on around him, well, Jack Arute (for all of our Euro friends, this guy is completely in love with himself, has the perpetual George Hamilton tan and is always trying to come up with something self-serving and clever to say. Just a total obnoxious w**k*r) sticks his ABC sports microphone and asks Jacques "Did you win this race for your dad?" Jacques looks back with a bemused expression and says "No, my father's been dead for over a decade, I won this for myself and the team" for once Arute didn't have a clue what to say, its was f**k*ng precious!
Fax
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Bobblehat on October 12, 2003, 06:47:24 pm
Great reply from JV would not expect less. I just wounder how Damon Hill would of repyed ::)
Title: Re:Jacques Spits his Dummy Out.
Post by: Liszt on October 13, 2003, 10:47:40 am
I met JV during testing at Silverstone in '97. Seemed a nice bloke. Stopped to sign an autograph and had a chat about the car and circuit. I think a couple of years in a crappy car and lots of bad press have made him a bit bitter. I think he would be best doing a season in a another series, do well and come back saying "yeah been and won that, it was the car that was crap not me"
