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Club Arnage => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jack the Hat on April 05, 2010, 09:54:04 pm



Title: Showers
Post by: Jack the Hat on April 05, 2010, 09:54:04 pm
Although the showers at Le Mans are ok; i am looking for design ideas for this year. I have tried all sorts of designs from cold water storage tank on top of a van (That was dam cold) to solar showers on a high extended rig from the top of a jeep (3.5 meters high, rig not jeep). Last years was the best yet; with a industrial air con evaporater  pump, but we had trouble getting enough warm water feed to it. So i am looking for something that can hold 50 to 60 liters of water and either have a heating device in it, or warm the water. I have thought about a thermostatic tea urn handy for lots of morning cuppas and turn it down ideal for showers in the evening, got to be under 2.5Kw. So any ideas would be welcome. 


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Brian on April 06, 2010, 12:26:41 pm
A black plastic cold water tank will transfer heat from the sun and you could fit an electric kettle element to take the chill off if needed run from a genny.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: redstu on April 06, 2010, 01:07:38 pm
How about using an old central heating boiler heat the heat exchanger using a small fire or even gas.  Might not be a good idea to use this whilst drunk!


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: clkgtrlm1 on April 06, 2010, 06:45:00 pm
We have use an old inflatable mattress in the past - if you got one that is punctured (and hasn't alread been burnt!)

Find the puncture. Turn the matress over so the puncture is on top.
Oh yeah - you need a big van with a flat roof - or a good roof rack.

Lay the mattress out on top of the car and fill.

Needs the sun to heat unfortunately, can't think of a way to heat that one!


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: lofty on April 06, 2010, 09:49:07 pm
we use an electic kettle to top our shower up with hot water.dosnt take too many fills.keeping a lid on to stop heat loss makes huge difference.or wear a wet suit to keep warm.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Jack the Hat on April 06, 2010, 10:30:52 pm
Now the central heating boiler heat exchanger sounds like a plan, compact and sturdy but 18 blokes drunk in charge of a gas fire/heater could be trouble the nearest A and E ?. The air mattress would be ok but no van this year i like it though.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Snoring Rhino on April 07, 2010, 08:33:58 pm
Now the central heating boiler heat exchanger sounds like a plan, compact and sturdy but 18 blokes drunk in charge of a gas fire/heater could be trouble the nearest A and E ?. The air mattress would be ok but no van this year i like it though.
A couple of years ago I rigged up a shower using a couple of lorry inner tubes and an eletric drill with a pump on it, then had a extending water basket hose attachment as the shower head. It worked well, but even putting the tubes on top of the box trailer needed the pump to give enough head pressure (due to the xpansion of the tubes). All went well untill the drill running the pump caught fire.......

In 2006 or 2007 we found that if you left enough (about 100feet or 2 packs, thin section, dark green hose) hose coiled on the top of the trailer and exposed to sun it was plenty warm enough straight from the tap...you do need plenty of sun though (about 43c on the sunday if i recall).


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Jack the Hat on April 07, 2010, 09:14:07 pm
Simple yet effective, i like, it i like it alot.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: wishy on April 07, 2010, 09:55:24 pm
The guys next to Jules on MB last year brought their own wet room with them in an old caravan...wicked!!


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on April 07, 2010, 10:32:26 pm
Showers... I heard there were some near us last year on BN. Being Frog Marchged to them on Friday is a distant memeory! ;D
The Black bag solar ones are good if its hot as Lady PP proved on her first visit at the side of the road on MB in her Bikini. Say no more!


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Chrisgr31 on April 08, 2010, 12:08:58 am
We take a camping shower that I bought somewhere, fill it either from a kettle or using water from one of those solar showers.  Its effectively one of those weedkiller sprayer things but with a shower head on it.  You pressurise it by pumping a handle up and down and then a nice shower ensues!


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: csitops on April 08, 2010, 02:34:25 pm
All we did, was to purchase one of those Whale submersible pumps from the local camping/caravaning shop and put it down the neck of a black water container. Connect to your car battery via crocodile clips and with the aid of a length of hosepipe and watering can hose, you have a great shower. It throws the water out at 11 litres per minute. We now attach it to an old collapsible stand and hey-presto. 


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: nopanic - neil on April 08, 2010, 02:40:53 pm
We take a camping shower that I bought somewhere, fill it either from a kettle or using water from one of those solar showers.  Its effectively one of those weedkiller sprayer things but with a shower head on it.  You pressurise it by pumping a handle up and down and then a nice shower ensues!


yep that works a treat, normally cover sprayer in black duck tape, and it heats up over the day when at the track. Ahh nice and hot shower.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Chrisgr31 on April 09, 2010, 10:48:21 am
yep that works a treat, normally cover sprayer in black duck tape, and it heats up over the day when at the track. Ahh nice and hot shower.

Ahhh now theres a good idea, hadn't thought of that!


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Jack the Hat on April 09, 2010, 11:07:38 am
Maybe i am getting to complex with the tea urn. Need to keep it simple yet effective.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: jpchenet on April 09, 2010, 02:13:31 pm
At sebring in 2005 someone rigged up a shower thus:

Take a mains water feed and split it in two. Run one to your shower rig for your cold feed. Connect the other to a long coil of Copper Pipe. Dig a hole in the ground, place copper pipe into hole and fill with charcoal and set light to it. Once well lit, fill the rest of the hole with earth to keep the charcoal burning more slowly due to lack of oxygen. Run the other end of the copper pipe to another hose to your shower head for your hot feed.

Connect both to a mixer unit and you have a mains fed hot and cold shower system!

Fair bit of hassle, but it worked well!


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Rhino on April 09, 2010, 03:09:34 pm
What about all those undiscovered WW2 unexploded bombs buried underground. I wouldn't risk any underground fire just in case  ;D


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Fran on April 09, 2010, 06:21:27 pm
... while air drying ....

Oh dear God ... noooo!!  :-\


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Jack the Hat on April 09, 2010, 09:34:58 pm
Air Drying sounds a bit much. Would of thought you would have used, aforementioned man servant to fan dry you. The hole digging sounds effective but hard work for a group of drunkards. Did think about a black plastic bin with a coil of black hose running through it, with water in the hose, so when it sun heats it i belive it will cause a heat exchange and cause a pressure change and pump the water need to try this i feel.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Lorry on April 10, 2010, 07:04:46 pm
.......Did think about a black plastic bin with a coil of black hose running through it,
Not enough surface area exposed to the sun

I like the idea of the bucket and kettle of hot water etc.  Simple but effective, although I'm not entirely confident of the Snoring Rhino component

Has nobody thought of getting a gas caravan water heater and pump from a scrapper?  There's about 10 on fleabay


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Rhino on April 10, 2010, 08:37:29 pm
We use an old black water container topping up the cold water with hot water from a kettle. Then its a 12v camping shower to get you wet. Worked fine for 8 of us the last 3 years.
If you want an all in system try Zodi
http://www.zodi.com/web-content/
Don't seem to be many stockists over here and of course more expensive than in the states.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Snoring Rhino on April 10, 2010, 09:10:26 pm
simple solution:-

Kit

* Bucket, Domestic, Plastic, Colours Various.... One off

* Shower, Portable, Outdoor, Battery 12/24V, Colour Yellow.... One Off

Method

heat kettle of water for a brew, fill plastic buket with cool water, top up with remaining hot water from kettle, use man servants elbow to check water temprature and adust if necessary.

get man servant, if you haven't got one use a passing Snoring Rhino or Snoring Rhino son, there'll work for peanuts, to hold the shower unit high enough to enjoy a refreshing shower anytime of the day.  Enjoy brew while air drying.

Saves all that backbreaking toil...


Yeh right, I think a Karcher power washer will solve all issues, even Mr Spiders clinkers.
Seriously though, we/I had a lot of fun buiding our shower, probably best laugh was seeing the SPS crew member making a fast exit when the drill caugh fire though... but then we reverted to the extra length of hose and the dark green colour and thin wall exposed to the sun actualy worked best...very anoying but true and very boring


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Doris on April 11, 2010, 04:37:39 am
Showers... I heard there were some near us last year on BN. Being Frog Marchged to them on Friday is a distant memeory! ;D
The Black bag solar ones are good if its hot as Lady PP proved on her first visit at the side of the road on MB in her Bikini. Say no more!

Rex,

You actually went to the showers twice last year as you came along to keep me company while I queued for mine.  You also held my drink for me and didn't actually drink it which must be some kind of LM miracle.  I wouldn't be surprised if you don't remember any of this however as you were absolutely bolloxed.    >:D

Dx


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: pedersenkorsager on April 11, 2010, 11:57:23 am
Hi.

Beeing a longterm scout this has been a wellknown problem for years. The best solution that i have seen is a watermixer (or what ever the thing to mix cold and warm water in the shower is called) connected to 2 buckets. one for hot and one for cold. Both needed to be filled manuel. The cold water is easy if you hav a hose, the hot water was made with a cobbertube coild up in a smalle barbeque, witch was lit in the morning to cook morning tee. the bottom ende of the coil sucked water from a styrofom barrel and at the other end HOT water was running back into the same barrel, witch fittet with a lit could keep the water warm for up till 12 hours.
if more hot water is needes just lit the barbeque again, roast a sausage, drink a beer and get ready for your shower.
the barrel was app. 100 liter so this was a bit more than a one man stunt.  :D

Kenn


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Martini...LB on April 11, 2010, 01:12:28 pm
Has anyone thought about walking to the shower block?

Or the alternative - wet wipes.

>Martini...LB


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Snoring Rhino on April 11, 2010, 05:00:01 pm
Has anyone thought about walking to the shower block?

Or the alternative - wet wipes.

>Martini...LB
....you mean you think we can still walk ?


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: landman on April 11, 2010, 09:20:35 pm
FS!

Where've you been?

Hope all is well.

Landman/Paul


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: mgmark on April 11, 2010, 11:31:40 pm
Has anyone thought about walking to the shower block?

Or the alternative - wet wipes.

>Martini...LB
....you mean you think we can still walk ?

which is when the wet wipes come in handy, when the queue is too long or the walk too difficult....

MG Mark


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Jack the Hat on April 12, 2010, 09:35:11 pm
Not sure wet wipes are the way forward the first year we went with this option not the best or effective way to do it (and dangerous in the wrong hands slippery packet smacking self in face incident) better off washing in larger much safer. Hence the build a shower 


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: LuxExpat on April 13, 2010, 06:23:56 pm
I'll be going for the 20l. black shower bag.   If the water's cold, it's cold.
Just need to sort out something to hang it from.  :-\

Werner's set-up last year was a good 'un.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Jack the Hat on April 25, 2010, 04:53:52 pm
The final plan is to go with a cold storage tank with a 12v 400 litres a min 3psi bilge pump length of pipe to run through the BBQ with a copper core from a pressure washer in the BBQ out to the shower head water proof door bell to operate the pump in the shower water on demand Nice ..... Simple.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: lofty on April 25, 2010, 05:23:24 pm
this worked ok


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: smokie on April 25, 2010, 05:28:22 pm
If any of our female members find that deeply offensive, join the club...  :police: :-\ >:D


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: lofty on April 25, 2010, 06:26:37 pm
i hope youe not being nasty about ting tong.this picture was taken in france were being naked in a shower is normal.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Le Vieux on April 25, 2010, 07:52:46 pm
Er, why not stay on a campsite that has hot showers?


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: lofty on April 25, 2010, 07:58:27 pm
when we started going they didnt exist


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Lorry on April 25, 2010, 08:17:24 pm
I've just had a new domestic boiler installed, and like most plumbers, I was left to take the old one to the tip.  I did wonder about offering the "guts" of the unit to one of our shower builders, but after the gas leak its seems that LPG pressure is so high it would be a bit of a flamer


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Martini...LB on April 25, 2010, 09:42:54 pm
when we started going they didnt exist


Those lazy, hazy days, yes I remember them well. I am also sure wet wipes were not around then... how did we ever manage. I will let you into a secret... eat a lot of garlic and drink a lot of Pernod/Pastis and then sweat it out, you will immediately blend in - promise! No one will ever notice the sweaty smell that some of you are accustomed to, not me I do not move quick enough to sweat. ;D

>Martini...LB


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Stu on May 06, 2010, 10:18:38 am
My mate bought me one of these back from the states a few years ago from the states. Worked out about £60 and works a treat.
http://www.zodi.com/web-content/Consumer/zodihottaptravelshower.html (http://www.zodi.com/web-content/Consumer/zodihottaptravelshower.html)

Failing that a bucket, kettle and a big car sponge works very well and is very cheap.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: smokie on May 06, 2010, 10:45:32 am
Failing that a bucket, kettle and a big car sponge works very well and is very cheap.

What, like bob-a-job, complete with a couple of Boy Scouts to rinse you down???  :o


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Nobby Diesel on May 06, 2010, 10:48:20 am
This is what you need



Title: Re: Showers
Post by: JDS on May 06, 2010, 11:18:35 am
The final plan is to go with a cold storage tank with a 12v 400 litres a min 3psi bilge pump length of pipe to run through the BBQ with a copper core from a pressure washer in the BBQ out to the shower head water proof door bell to operate the pump in the shower water on demand Nice ..... Simple.

Def need to see that in action.


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: landman on May 06, 2010, 11:28:15 am
Are they having a bath, or being boiled for dinner?  ;)


Title: Re: Showers
Post by: Stu on May 06, 2010, 01:25:46 pm
The final plan is to go with a cold storage tank with a 12v 400 litres a min 3psi bilge pump length of pipe to run through the BBQ with a copper core from a pressure washer in the BBQ out to the shower head water proof door bell to operate the pump in the shower water on demand Nice ..... Simple.

Def need to see that in action.

Sounds like you might have to take a few burns dressings with that one as the water will continue heating whilst not being used between bell presses. Also is 400 lpm (88 gallons) not a bit powerful?

Failing that a bucket, kettle and a big car sponge works very well and is very cheap.

What, like bob-a-job, complete with a couple of Boy Scouts to rinse you down???  :o

 ;D ;D ;D ;D or should it be  :P :P :P :P