Title: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Steve TTTD on February 22, 2010, 01:59:53 pm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/features/article7033639.ece
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Werner on February 22, 2010, 02:56:45 pm
WTF - Until now I had the Times on the list of the rather reputable media :o
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Chris24 on February 23, 2010, 01:06:29 am
Not checked the dates or number of wins for Jaguar but everything else seems about right to me ! What am I missing ?
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Andy Zarse on February 23, 2010, 08:42:36 am
The missing "a" in inaccuracies? ???
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Lawnmower Man on February 23, 2010, 09:27:53 am
In the Sunday Times article that the web article appears to be extracted from. Says "The Mansells are the first Father Son team at the Race."
Hmmm....
Hmmm....
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Werner on February 23, 2010, 10:02:35 am
Jaguar.... challenging the recent dominance of the event by Audi and Peugeot. OK, so the GT2 Jag will challenge the LMP1 - Diesels ;D
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: geoffd on February 23, 2010, 01:50:01 pm
Jaguar.... challenging the recent dominance of the event by Audi and Peugeot. OK, so the GT2 Jag will challenge the LMP1 - Diesels ;D
You've not read that right.... it actually says This year’s Le Mans promises to be the most exciting in years. Jaguar, returning to the race 20 years after its last win, and Aston Martin are challenging the recent dominance of the event by Audi and Peugeot.
So it's just pointing out that Jag are returning and that AM are challenging Audi and Pug, although that last bit isn't really true as we all know. You've fallen into the journo's trap of taking a few words out of a statement to make it mean something else!
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Kpy on February 23, 2010, 02:05:50 pm
Jaguar.... challenging the recent dominance of the event by Audi and Peugeot. OK, so the GT2 Jag will challenge the LMP1 - Diesels ;D
You've not read that right.... it actually says This year’s Le Mans promises to be the most exciting in years. Jaguar, returning to the race 20 years after its last win, and Aston Martin are challenging the recent dominance of the event by Audi and Peugeot.
So it's just pointing out that Jag are returning and that AM are challenging Audi and Pug, although that last bit isn't really true as we all know. You've fallen into the journo's trap of taking a few words out of a statement to make it mean something else!
Geoffd, you beat me to it!
And while we're about it:
In the Sunday Times article that the web article appears to be extracted from. Says "The Mansells are the first Father Son team at the Race."
Hmmm....
Hmmm....
The article actually states that the Mansells will be the first father and two sons team to race at Le Mans. That's accurate.
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Werner on February 23, 2010, 03:52:56 pm
Jaguar.... challenging the recent dominance of the event by Audi and Peugeot. OK, so the GT2 Jag will challenge the LMP1 - Diesels ;D
You've not read that right.... it actually says This year’s Le Mans promises to be the most exciting in years. Jaguar, returning to the race 20 years after its last win, and Aston Martin are challenging the recent dominance of the event by Audi and Peugeot.
So it's just pointing out that Jag are returning and that AM are challenging Audi and Pug, although that last bit isn't really true as we all know. You've fallen into the journo's trap of taking a few words out of a statement to make it mean something else!
Yeah - just re-read it slowly - you're right, Geoffd! Well, English isn't my native language...
Cheers
Werner
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Nordic on February 23, 2010, 04:59:37 pm
The Andretti's came close, father, son and nephew (cousin). But I think it has been done before, but a long time ago.
Either way Mansell senior is not 100% confirmed yet is he?
Either way Mansell senior is not 100% confirmed yet is he?
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Robbo on February 23, 2010, 05:04:19 pm
The Andretti's came close, father, son and nephew (cousin). But I think it has been done before, but a long time ago.
Either way Mansell senior is not 100% confirmed yet is he?
Either way Mansell senior is not 100% confirmed yet is he?
Sure is!!
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Kpy on February 23, 2010, 05:46:22 pm
The Andretti's came close, father, son and nephew (cousin). But I think it has been done before, but a long time ago.
I really think not. Care to give us a family name?Quote
Either way Mansell senior is not 100% confirmed yet is he?
He's entered in car number 5. See HERE (http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans/pages/engages_fr.html). In any event the Sunday Times said "If they make it to the French town in June it will be the first time a father and two sons have competed in the race".I'd have thought that positive publicity for the 24 Hours in a broadsheet would be welcomed on this forum.
Instead some of us want to find fault with it.
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Nordic on February 23, 2010, 06:54:05 pm
This is the ACO press release and I would think they know for sure. Plenty of brothers and father and sons, but no other father and 2 sons.
I would like to compliment the paper or their extensive piece, and look forward to reading more, along with a full review once the dust has settled.
A great family story
Entrants have until 12th May to announce their driver line-ups. One trio is already known. It is not only a great family story but also a first in the race's history!
The driver line-up in question consists of a father and his two sons. The dad? 56-year-old Nigel Mansell, the 1992 Formula 1 World Champion: the sons? 22-year-old Greg and 25-year-old Leo. Only Leo has raced at Le Mans before, in 2009 in the Team Modena Ferrari (27th overall).
This 100% family team made up of a father and his two sons is a first in the long history of the Le Mans 24 Hours. In the era, when 2-driver teams were the norm, there were father and son duos, the most famous being the Rosier family in 1950, with Louis and his son Jean-Louis, who won the race outright in a Talbot. In 1982, Mario and his son Michael could have repeated the same feat but their car was disqualified with a few minutes to go to the start because of non-compliance with the regs. In 1988, there was a 100% Andretti trio at the start when Mario and Michael teamed up with Mario's nephew John. Among other family references are: 3rd place for Derek Bell and his son Justin in 1995 in a McLaren (Wallace was the 3rd driver), Felbermayr father and son in 2007 in a Porsche, Jean-Louis Ricci and his son Romano in 2000 in a Porsche, John Paul Jr and John Paul Sr in a Porsche in 1980. And in 1979, American brothers, Bill and Don Wittington with Klaus Ludwig achieved a fabulous outright victory, without forgetting the Mexican brothers, Pedro and Ricardo Rodriguez, in the 60s
I would like to compliment the paper or their extensive piece, and look forward to reading more, along with a full review once the dust has settled.
A great family story
Entrants have until 12th May to announce their driver line-ups. One trio is already known. It is not only a great family story but also a first in the race's history!
The driver line-up in question consists of a father and his two sons. The dad? 56-year-old Nigel Mansell, the 1992 Formula 1 World Champion: the sons? 22-year-old Greg and 25-year-old Leo. Only Leo has raced at Le Mans before, in 2009 in the Team Modena Ferrari (27th overall).
This 100% family team made up of a father and his two sons is a first in the long history of the Le Mans 24 Hours. In the era, when 2-driver teams were the norm, there were father and son duos, the most famous being the Rosier family in 1950, with Louis and his son Jean-Louis, who won the race outright in a Talbot. In 1982, Mario and his son Michael could have repeated the same feat but their car was disqualified with a few minutes to go to the start because of non-compliance with the regs. In 1988, there was a 100% Andretti trio at the start when Mario and Michael teamed up with Mario's nephew John. Among other family references are: 3rd place for Derek Bell and his son Justin in 1995 in a McLaren (Wallace was the 3rd driver), Felbermayr father and son in 2007 in a Porsche, Jean-Louis Ricci and his son Romano in 2000 in a Porsche, John Paul Jr and John Paul Sr in a Porsche in 1980. And in 1979, American brothers, Bill and Don Wittington with Klaus Ludwig achieved a fabulous outright victory, without forgetting the Mexican brothers, Pedro and Ricardo Rodriguez, in the 60s
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Chris24 on February 24, 2010, 01:04:44 am
Marco Andretti will be making his Le Mans debut this year with the Rebelion Lola team. Probably not spelt that right but you know who i mean.
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Andy Zarse on February 24, 2010, 11:08:26 am
This is the ACO press release and I would think they know for sure. Plenty of brothers and father and sons, but no other father and 2 sons.
I would like to compliment the paper or their extensive piece, and look forward to reading more, along with a full review once the dust has settled.
A great family story
Entrants have until 12th May to announce their driver line-ups. One trio is already known. It is not only a great family story but also a first in the race's history!
The driver line-up in question consists of a father and his two sons. The dad? 56-year-old Nigel Mansell, the 1992 Formula 1 World Champion: the sons? 22-year-old Greg and 25-year-old Leo. Only Leo has raced at Le Mans before, in 2009 in the Team Modena Ferrari (27th overall).
This 100% family team made up of a father and his two sons is a first in the long history of the Le Mans 24 Hours. In the era, when 2-driver teams were the norm, there were father and son duos, the most famous being the Rosier family in 1950, with Louis and his son Jean-Louis, who won the race outright in a Talbot. In 1982, Mario and his son Michael could have repeated the same feat but their car was disqualified with a few minutes to go to the start because of non-compliance with the regs. In 1988, there was a 100% Andretti trio at the start when Mario and Michael teamed up with Mario's nephew John. Among other family references are: 3rd place for Derek Bell and his son Justin in 1995 in a McLaren (Wallace was the 3rd driver), Felbermayr father and son in 2007 in a Porsche, Jean-Louis Ricci and his son Romano in 2000 in a Porsche, John Paul Jr and John Paul Sr in a Porsche in 1980. And in 1979, American brothers, Bill and Don Wittington with Klaus Ludwig achieved a fabulous outright victory, without forgetting the Mexican brothers, Pedro and Ricardo Rodriguez, in the 60s
I would like to compliment the paper or their extensive piece, and look forward to reading more, along with a full review once the dust has settled.
A great family story
Entrants have until 12th May to announce their driver line-ups. One trio is already known. It is not only a great family story but also a first in the race's history!
The driver line-up in question consists of a father and his two sons. The dad? 56-year-old Nigel Mansell, the 1992 Formula 1 World Champion: the sons? 22-year-old Greg and 25-year-old Leo. Only Leo has raced at Le Mans before, in 2009 in the Team Modena Ferrari (27th overall).
This 100% family team made up of a father and his two sons is a first in the long history of the Le Mans 24 Hours. In the era, when 2-driver teams were the norm, there were father and son duos, the most famous being the Rosier family in 1950, with Louis and his son Jean-Louis, who won the race outright in a Talbot. In 1982, Mario and his son Michael could have repeated the same feat but their car was disqualified with a few minutes to go to the start because of non-compliance with the regs. In 1988, there was a 100% Andretti trio at the start when Mario and Michael teamed up with Mario's nephew John. Among other family references are: 3rd place for Derek Bell and his son Justin in 1995 in a McLaren (Wallace was the 3rd driver), Felbermayr father and son in 2007 in a Porsche, Jean-Louis Ricci and his son Romano in 2000 in a Porsche, John Paul Jr and John Paul Sr in a Porsche in 1980. And in 1979, American brothers, Bill and Don Wittington with Klaus Ludwig achieved a fabulous outright victory, without forgetting the Mexican brothers, Pedro and Ricardo Rodriguez, in the 60s
So can we confirm that the only inaccuracy is in the spelling of "inccuracy" in the OP header? What a complete waste of time! ;)
Title: Re: Count the inccuracies
Post by: Lord Pig-Pen on February 25, 2010, 02:38:06 am
He he
